To ask what ‘far right’ means to you?

[Rainbowsponge]

Let’s not make this a Southport thread, just a political one. I consider myself a centrist and voted Lib Dem (to get us back in EU but that’s another story).

There’s been a lot of talk of ‘far right’ on here over the last few days, but very few observations on what far right actually means. To me it means things like capital punishment, enforced religion, open state misogyny, a blanket ban on abortion, homosexuality being outlawed, that sort of thing.

To me, having justified concerns about immigration, having views on new house building, voting Conservative or disapproving of Just Stop Oil protestors doesn’t make you ‘far right’. Centre or right of centre perhaps, but not far right.

What do you think?

Oh dear, you've really shown your intelligence here op...

I agree with your post and think it wins the thread.

Yay now will you go read that book? Could have saved yourself some embarrassment.

I think a lot of people on mumsnet think anyone who doesn’t vote Labour, Green or Lib Dem are far right. And notice how the term far left is never mentioned on here.

This is the sort of fatuous comment that enables the far right to stealthily send their pernicious roots into a society.

The far right is dangerous. If people are genuinely saying something is far right, you shouldn't just glibly dismiss that.

I think ‘far left’ is overused in a similar way by people who are very right wing - they apply to to ideas that are left of centre, but not far left. To me far left is outright communism/Marxism, not having a generous welfare state.

Yes, the Japanese. Amazing how they don't come in for the usual flack.

I’m sorry. Am I reading this right? You think Saudi and Europe are equally horrible?

That's because "the far left" does not exist in the UK or even Europe in any practical way.

It's a purely logical concept being used as a "gotcha" by people who want to shut down discussion of the far right.

I absolutely will dismiss it if it’s utter claptrap. Far right is used far too often about people who are just right wing.

Lots of people were talking about the far left when Corbyn was leading the Labour Party. The reason far right is being mentioned so much atm is because of the far right thugs rioting and destroying communities.

You’re the one who is annoyed that western political terminology isn’t uniform across political systems in other countries…

My personal experience of racism/mysogyny in the UK was by a recent previous employer of mine - he wasn't actually a 'bad person' but his views on white people and women of any colour clouded our professional relationship and I told him so after a few years.

His response was that we should end our professional relationship and I should forward him an Invoice. I didn't reply and never sent him an Invoice but a couple of months later I received a payment from him. Not a great amount, 'women's worth' but I know he regretted 'blowing it' with me.

My indirect experience of it is from the very tiny amount of people that believe in 'White Pride', etc nonsense and who very, very few UK people (including the white natives and all their nationalities and regions) have any time for and are quite happy to put them back in their box when they try and pop up.

Calling someone crazy is pretty much the ultimate ad hominem and it's your go-to defence on here so...

Try again..ask chatGPT to simplify it with you if you are struggling with basic english

In the UK at the moment - this:

I have been told that I am far right. This was because I didn't think that grown men should be swinging their penises around in the girls' showers.

Absolutely 100% spot on

Not in my opinion.
Most "just right wing" people say nothing that could even vaguely be interpreted as far right.

Have you not noticed the antisemitism by the far left recently?

What you mean like France? You’ve embarrassed yourself with that comment.

No. I’d like you to explain what you meant please when you wrote “equally horrible”

Great, but a lot of people seem to think what I just said, that anyone who isn’t blatantly and loudly left is far right, which isn’t the case.

For me, there is 'far right' in terms of individual beliefs and practises, and 'far right' in terms of whole states or countries.

For individuals, 'far right' means a person who possesses and/or acts upon their own intolerance of others, a desire for sameness, and a weakness for charasmatic leaders who they can follow.

For states, 'far right' could range from (say) Hungary, a 'far right' populist democracy, through to fascist authoritarian states, e.g. Saudi Arabia and Iran. Please read Wikipedia definition of facism before anyone jumps down my throat, these countries clearly meet this definition.

Whilst I am disgusted by capital punishment, I don't think this alone constitutes 'far right'. Some states who practise it (i.e. SA, Iran) are facist and authoritarian, whereas in others (e.g. some USA states) it seems to be more about prolonged, monetized torture, and revenge.