THe upper middle class favour immigration

[MeouwCat]

The upper middle class favour immigration because the alternative would be paying locals more and that would men them paying higher taxes to support the wage demands by care workers/Nurses/council workers etc.

How are "paying immigrants less" and "paying local people more" real life alternatives? No one is helicoptering in each morning from Przemyśl or Lubumbashi or Hyderabad and landing on their workplace roof with a packed lunch, and then flying out again immediately post-shift (even if they wanted to, the costs would be prohibitive). Immigrants living in the UK have the same cost of living as UK born people living in the UK - possibly more, as they lack a support network of family, friends, and long-term contacts.

100 years ago?
Immigration has played a big part in Britain - and its success - for thousands of years!

I think you’re confused. Who said that nursery staff were primarily immigrants?

But to your other point, yes, basically. You can’t charge £200 a day for nursery fees. That’s £52,000 a year.

This is a bit of a silly argument, frankly. It seems to me that you’re not understanding how the real world operates.

The Ugandan Indians have done well, I agree. But we arent talking about 10 milliuon in the last 20 years, are we.

@Twototwo15 Nurseries were probably not much needed in 1924, as mothers would not have been working so much. Life expectancy has increased and demographics tilted to a greater older population, hence more need for care homes. Times have changed.

That’s a massive generalisation.

I'm an immigrant. Also working class. I worked all evening classes, living in overcrowded flatshares (with English university students), until I could put myself through university and gain a professional qualification in an area that's currently facing a huge recruitment crisis. I am definitely not taking the job from under the nose of a native Brit.

OP, who exactly do you think is responsible for withholding the big buck salaries from people doing the jobs you feel working class recruits are missing out on?

Is that you, Priti Patel? Making yourself relevant again just after your Tory leadership bid…

You know nothing about history do you?

More than100 years ago Irish immigrants post-Great Famine (my ancestors as it happens) got tremendous stick by racists of the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Irish_sentiment

Mass. Immigration. Is. Not. New.

I dont think I am confused. The business model relies on importing workers from countries where the minimum wage is a fraction of what it is here.

I agree- I don’t think migrants taking jobs is a major worry for the communities I work in. It’s like I said annoyance over housing and school places and not being able to get through to the GP. Also lots of complaints about groups of unemployed men loitering about- Eastern Europeans primarily claiming asylum.

Yes, but it would be interesting to see the crime figures relating to that small fraction. Tensions among communities are rising precisely because information like that is withheld or covered up.

Yes, but there were various low paid jobs which were all filled. And I’m not sure how people think immigration does not affect the average person’s life. If an area, like mine, has twice the amount of homes it had a decade ago, but no new doctors surgeries or schools to cater for all the new homes and roads that can’t handle the increase in traffic, of course it affects everyone.

So what has this to do with the upper middle class?

It was so bad for women back in the day. They often ended up married, it was virtually a profession as they were otherwise unable to provide for themselves such as buying or renting a house. If you think the gender pay gap is bad now, well it was a lot worse.

Immigration is not the threat to women’s freedom and livelihoods, regressive authoritarian regimes are. Those men, Farage, Reform, are not your friends, they don’t care about you or want what is best for you.

I don't think care workers or nursery workers are expecting 50K. But everyday people put their most vulnerable people in their care. I think a proper living wage for these industries is not too much to ask.

Those are infrastructure problems and down to government.

Nursery nurses in most EU countries are paid more, have higher qualifications and the costs to parents subsidised to a far greater degree.

Ideally the fact that a job has unpleasant elements to it such as care work would be taking into account by the market and wages would rise to compensate but this is again an area where the same principles as above would ideally need to apply.

It’s probably no coincidence that these poorly funded and poorly structured sectors both used to fall under the category of “women’s work”.

I also feel some people in society take on very left leaning views in a bid to raise their place in society if they appear at one with the elite political classes.. Sheep mentality..
For example the loud, opinionated couple with no kids saying there is no way their child will ever go to state school... Roll on little Tabitha's arrival & suddenly the state schools aren't good enough so only private will do to keep up with the Joneses!

Thats all I am trying to say, these jobs should, could and would pay more, but wonbt because immigration is being used to undercut and the upper/middle middle classes support this because they dont want to pay more in taxes.

The business model for nurseries does not rely on importing immigrants and I suspect the business model for care homes doesn’t either.

The turnover of a nursery is about the same as a small shop - say £400,000 a year for a 30 place nursery. But where a small shop might employ one 18 year old assistant for a few hours a week, a nursery has to employ 14-16 staff to look after 30 children.

Nurseries pay minimum wage because parents cannot afford to pay higher fees and the profit margins are tiny. It has NOTHING to do with immigration.

Your post doesn't make sense. The couple say their child wouldn't go to state school, so they don't. So what?

I'm not concerned about immigration, but I think you are right. It is an unethical business model, which pays inadequate wages. Working conditions can also be awful in jobs which mainly employ immigrants.

It’s not withheld or covered up. It’s difficult to know because people who come into the country illegally are undocumented - it’s hard to keep track of them and therefore hard to keep track of any crimes they might commit. There’s no evidence to say they commit any more crime than anyone else.

THeir other tactick is to accuse the British working class of being inherentaly lazy. I.E. Wont jump to when required