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THe upper middle class favour immigration

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MeouwCat · 31/07/2024 22:59

The upper middle class favour immigration because the alternative would be paying locals more and that would men them paying higher taxes to support the wage demands by care workers/Nurses/council workers etc.

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Jumpingthruhoops · 04/08/2024 00:03

LBFseBrom · 03/08/2024 23:55

Very well said, mumedu, you are spot on.

Jumpingthruhoops, 'middle class' covers a very wide range of people, you cannot lump them together. A vast proportion of the middle class will know what goes on and all about working class life: teachers, nurses, doctors, social workers and many others. Please don't make sweeping statements.

Grew up working class, so not a 'sweeping' statement at all. But thanks anyway.

thefireplace · 04/08/2024 08:31

DogsDinner · 03/08/2024 21:33

Immigrants only work in the NHS and Care in roughly the same proportion as they make up the population. And as they are allowed to bring in dependents, they are creating a demand as well as satisfying it.

Immigrants create demands for services, which we then need more immigrants to fulfil. It is never ending. I don't know what illustrates this better than the fact we have had roughly 2.5 million people come into the country in the last two years, a million people left the country, leaving us with 1.5 million extra people.

1.5 million in 2 years! Yet we are still being told we need more immigration!

I certainly don’t blame the immigrants though. I blame the government for allowing big business to dictate our immigration policy. Businesses who can use a constant stream of immigrants to keep wages depressed, avoid having to train their own staff, and who pay none of the costs of immigration.

Nurses and Care Workers should be able to leverage the high demand for their services to lobby for better pay and conditions. This would also help to attract more British workers into this sector.

Instead, many NHS trusts have contracts with countries like Nigeria and the Philippines to employ a guaranteed numbers of nurses each year, which has left some of this year’s newly qualified nurses struggling to find a job.

As i said, pre brexit, migrants, generally speaking, did not bring their families with them.
But they do now, often 3 or 4 to 1 worker, which yes of course will put strain on services but whats the alternative? UK workers wont do these jobs, regardless of pay.... this little fact seems to escape many posters.

Look at the criticism Reeves has got by agreeing to pay nurses 5%? the voters in this country do not want to pay the taxes required to pay AHPs/Carers more.

I worked in various sectors over the last 40 years, i have never seen a migrant used to drive down wages, what i have seen is business using any excuse it can to make more profit - Browns pension changes to get rid of FS schemes, yes they wanted that, meant they paid less in!
GFC used to freeze pay packets, whilst board room pay rocketed, helped along by a Govt that froze public sector pay.

Yes too many people arriving in one place too quickly is very bad for services and housing but one of the first things Cameron did was stop the funding for regions hit hardest by migration.

If nearly qualified nurses cannot find work, then i'm amazed, my local trust has vacancies that our 12 18 months old, still unfilled.

oh and i am far from M/C, i just think that the UKs problems lay much closer to home and made far worse by Austerity.

ConsuelaHammock · 09/08/2024 15:52

I agree with you. A surplus of workers keeps wages low. Basic supply and demand.

5128gap · 09/08/2024 16:00

Affluent people do not need a scapegoat for having rubbish lives, do they?

MrsSkylerWhite · 09/08/2024 16:49

ConsuelaHammock · Today 15:52
I agree with you. A surplus of workers keeps wages low. Basic supply and demand

Except the UK doesn’t have a surplus of workers. Companies in almost every sector have struggled to recruit since the pandemic.

FiddlyDiddlyDee · 09/08/2024 17:31

SocksAndTheCity · 31/07/2024 23:16

Because it's a myth perpetuated by racists to 'other' migrant workers and turn people against them, thus covering the tracks of the people who are really shafting the working class.

There are plenty of left wing parties in Europe against mass immigration for this reason. They don't get called racist for protecting the wages of the working class?

Also xenophobia would be more appropriate than racism surely?

Not a particularly well timed comment or well explained post from the OP though so on that basis, it's unreasonable.

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