THe upper middle class favour immigration

[MeouwCat]

The upper middle class favour immigration because the alternative would be paying locals more and that would men them paying higher taxes to support the wage demands by care workers/Nurses/council workers etc.

There’s loads of criticism of the German education system. Part of this that is it perceived to entrench inequality.

Yes, for sure. In Germany pupils specialise early and the non- uni goers go down the technical route, which is well-respected. The UK could do with a technically skilled workforce e.g. electricians, plumbers, builders (hard to come by).

Is this you again Suella Braverman? Perhaps, if the government allowed legal routes and gave permission for people to work, rather than leaving them in limbo for years, new immigrants could contribute to the tax system. Stop scapegoating immigrants for the failures of the ruling class.

Cultural revolution led by working class grammar school boys, I might add.

I wasn't rude. I just don't understand the historical phenomenon you are describing and can't see the evidence for it but would be genuinely interested.

I am genuinely gobsmacked that you don’t know how art and music in the 1960s influenced society.

When did you go to school? What did they teach you?

Yes I do know that. I think you might be confusing causation and correlation, and muddling up a lot of different things going on in society at the time. Bridget Riley went to Cheltenham Ladies (expensive private school) Peter Blake to a tech college, Ken Russell to a private school, Richard Hamilton I think did an apprenticeship, Pauline Boty was middle class, off the top of my head. So, David Hockney & 3 out of 4 Beatles went to grammar schools. Are you really saying that grammar school was THE critical factor in their success? Interesting theory.

Good come back 👏

Lol. So you learnt how to use Google. Well done.

No, Im a 20th century historian.

‘I've never met a refugee that couldn't speak at least 3 languages”

are you assuming one of those languages is English? I assume the majority of immigrants can speak English? but there must be many who do not

from the BBC 10 years ago …
Many councils say they are struggling to cut the cost of translation services for migrants. The government wants local authorities to reduce the amount spent on translating documents for non-English speakers. Latest estimates suggest that £140m a year is spent on translation by the UK public sector as a whole.
28 Jan 2014

I know it was reported that the chap who stabbed the children outside the primary school in Dublin (charged with attempted murder) spoke only to his Arabic interpreter in court.

Suella, is this you posting on here again? Go join Reform.

@User8646382 key cultural figures of the 60s are pretty easily recalled if cultural history is your field, only had to check a couple on wikipedia. What's wrong with that? Lots more middle class & privately educated come to mind along with some working class grammar school boys. I get what you're trying to say but I think you're generalising & overstating your case. Shame you won't expand on it but there we are.

Cool argument bro, go learn how to discuss without resorting to childish nonsense.

Closet race baiters rearing their heads, bro.

You are quite wrong and on a serious note it is the attitude of people like you that is driving people to Reform.

Think on, Labours supposed landslide, but Reform got over 40% as many votes as Labour. Amazing for such a new party and actually fuelled by people like you and other arrogant people on this thread who cannot see beyond their naive blinkered view and dog whistle response with insults, to people’s politely stated concerns, or valid and honest comments, or god forbid dare to challenge their “facts”

Ah, sorry for misunderstanding.

I’ve just had a look and have seen there are some examples of this in Scandinavian countries - https://www.gov.scot/publications/national-care-service-rapid-review-learning-evidence-national-systems-social-care-nordic-scandinavian-countries/pages/5/.

Interestingly, I’ve also just seen that Gordon Brown’s government tried to introduce a nationalised care model. They tried to introduce the National Care Service in 2010, but that was obviously right before the election and the Conservative govenrment elected in 2010 decided not to continue with it.

Can you stop calling everyone bro?

I see what your trying to say but the Grammar school system prioritises the "brightest" at the expense of everyone else.

Why can't education be funded so ALL students have the opportunity to reach their full potential, without being segregated?

The 11+ may have been good for those that passed but those that didn't often felt and were made to feel failures.

So do you think it’s fine for us to be supporting criminal gangs and mass immigration of young men who may have criminal records?
Do you think this is fair?

Clearly you are a Phoebe Plummer upper middle class type who thinks the mass importation of cheap labour is great as you can get minimum wage builders, cleaners and nannies.

We need immigration, but it can’t be a free for all. I’m fed up of this pro or anti immigration nonsense. I love my child but she drives me nuts, motherhood is hard but also wonderful. Life is not black and white. I wish politicians and the press would stop with this divisive crap and accept that we need economic migrants like the Irish in the 60 and 70 , the wind rush generation etc. as for which class benefits most from migration, do you ever visit a nail saloon with Asian staff? I’d say 80% of the drs I’ve seen are Indian. Did they steal that GP job from you? Every class benefits from migration when it is done right.

This is right. One size doesn’t fit all. There are migrants that help us, and those that don't.🙄

Lol.

A twentieth century historian who doesn’t understand how music and art influenced society in the 1960s.

I do agree with much of what you say here. That's why I think people like Priti and Suella are disgusting - they have reaped all the advantages and privileges of living in the UK, despite having immigrant parents, but they want to pull up the ladder behind them? If their families had been had been prevented from moving to Britain, they would never had the opportunities they have had.

I love this country and know that my life would be infinitely worse today, had my grandfather not made that brave move from his little village sixty years ago.

You are correct though that expressing anti-immigration sentiment alone DOES NOT of course equal "racism". It's not that simple at all.