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Huw Edwards

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Aquarius1234 · 31/07/2024 09:50

To think he shouldn't have been paid in full while off long term. As its more like being self employed.
But mainly cos it was 475k upwards of our TV licence money!
Another example is when a famous radio presenter s decide to go off for an extended break to film another show or something. Surely they don't get normal pay when they have extra weeks off not on air!!

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EasternStandard · 02/08/2024 19:18

BIossomtoes · 02/08/2024 18:31

Nobody’s said Category A offences are nuanced. We’re talking about the human condition and its complexity. As a pp said, God help us all if some of you ever get called on to do jury duty, you’re apparently incapable of even understanding or following a thread on an internet forum.

What an odd response.

But unsurprising

Doubleender · 02/08/2024 19:23

EasternStandard · 02/08/2024 19:18

What an odd response.

But unsurprising

Some scary nonce sympathisers on here.

DysonSphere · 02/08/2024 19:24

I too am interested in the how and why. Very much so. If any good can come out of this, it will be for us as a society to look more carefully and discerningly at the factors that can result in some people developing such dark predilections. So that we can prevent young people getting to the point that the conscience dies and no longer responds with horror to worse and worse sexual depravity and cruelty against children.

I don't know anything about HE's background. But I personally don't believe very many people are 'born evil' I believe it's at best a combination of environmental/psychosocial factors along with character traits and weaknesses.

Porn addiction for e.g. is not treated the way Alcohol or drug addiction is. There is shame and stigma on a different level. You cannot readily go to your GP and get treated on the NHS for it e.g. (as far as I know anyway someone correct me if they know differently) yet you can lose everything, your marriage, your family. It causes many divorces and that's without a man consuming the truly perverted stuff. I personally really believe one ought to be able to have access to specialised therapy on the NHS. And (from reading another thread on this subject) I am wondering if people should be able to hand themselves voluntarily to the Police if they stray into looking at stuff they regret without fear of having the book thrown at them immediately or have some measure applied, I don't know.

I did a BSc psychology degree and we did modules on addiction, on how the brain adapts to constant stimulation by modulating itself so that you require more shocking stuff each time to get the same thrill, how neurotransmitters express themselves differently over time, so that you almost cannot get through a day without needing the hit. What we did not do, was cover porn addiction or anything to do with sex at all beyond relationships. I really think that was a weakness of the otherwise very comprehensive program. We covered paedophilia once briefly in a unit on family relationships and all that was said was that is a word we must only use in the strictest sense in a paper etc. Because most abusers of children are not truly paedophiles, they don't from a young age have an overwhelming attraction to children who haven't gone through puberty. They can be attracted to people who are past puberty meaning they have often cultivated that desire. A true paedophile may never act on such feelings and seek help and hate themselves.

We have research showing that lack of emotional engagement by a parent, excessively authoritarian parenting, parental absence or neglect or trauma in childhood often appear in the histories of drug and alcohol addicts. But porn addiction no one really adds that to the pile and yet logically, a stressed child has access to masturbation and the internet very easily, or may be exposed to inappropriate things at a young age. With alcohol or drugs or smoking, they often have to go through adults for those. It is much more easier now to access porn via internet. In my day a person would have to purchase a magazine from the top shelf of the newsagent and who would want to do endure the mortification of that? Not many. And it couldn't be anything truly debased. Now no one need see you at all.

I believe this starts with porn addiction most of the time. I conjecture that at one point H.E probably when younger than now, was just into porn and went further and further and did not get help, or possibily didn't want to. If he truly did have depression, maybe it made him more compulsive. Overtime, it came to dominate his personality and entwine itself in his character and he took greater risks to satisfy himself. It then took over his life. By then his conscience was more or less dead, now anchored by pride and a god persona created by years of sycophancy and seeming success. The success caused him to falsely believe he was controlling the situation and gave him a convenient alternative persona that few would ask questions of. He was able to split himself in two (men are good at compartmentalising) to avoid any cognitive dissonance and uncomfortable feelings. He went to work as one person and spent his time lying to himself the rest of the time. He became adept at it. A complete double life. He got used to it. Lies, lies, lies to himself and everyone every day and night. His poor wife was living with a stranger for years. His wife and lover was his addiction. It was more important and cherished by him than anything else probably by then.

As someone said earlier, paedophiles seldom show remorse. They double down or make excuses when confronted. They no longer are capable of feeling for their victims. It is probably now too late for any form of therapy or intervention to help H.E. (Well actually we don't know if this was the first and only time he had such severely grave material in his possession, but he hasn't displayed much humility publicly. He could have turned to the mass of cameras outside the courtroom and apologised to his family with his own voice for e.g. but didn't)

I do think far more has to be done to protect young people and tackle online porn. In some ways we are behaving like internet hasn't happened. I think Education wellbeing in schools TA's ought to be proactively trained to help and there should be a confiding service available in schools where young people can talk about any issues they are having, again, without the full force of the law necessarily being brought to bear.

I thought the government brought in the online safety bill to help tackle this stuff?

noworklifebalance · 02/08/2024 19:25

Runnerinthenight · 02/08/2024 18:35

Well said!

You two are hilarious.
The depth of your analysis of his psyche extends to how he is such a good presenter and even commented on Royal events. Stating the human psyche is nuanced and we need to understand why “someone like him” would commit such a crime.

One reason why he may have got away with it for as long as he did was because people like you do not seem to comprehend that someone like him could do something like this.

No-one else here is attempting to analyse why he has committed these crimes because we all know that we can’t. There is a huge amount of research out there about the risk factors that predispose someone to these crimes. Being a high achiever is not one of them.

As a society we cannot stop someone having these thoughts or predelictions. What the BBC and those close to HE need to do is see whether there were missed opportunities to report him.

There are organisations where you can self refer if you are having such thoughts or refer someone you think may be. I posted a link to one when the news first broke and contacted MNHQ to pin the post or advertise it themselves.

What the overwhelming number of us have been doing is trying to prevent these crimes being minimised by terms such as “indecent images”, “disappointing”, “fall from grace”, “most men have had images sent as a joke” or the fact that he said he didn’t want anything illegal made it ok that he had over 30 images of child sex abuse but failed to report it.

Runnerinthenight · 02/08/2024 19:26

EasternStandard · 02/08/2024 19:18

What an odd response.

But unsurprising

It's your failure to comprehend what some posters are saying that's the issue here.

Runnerinthenight · 02/08/2024 19:29

DysonSphere · 02/08/2024 19:24

I too am interested in the how and why. Very much so. If any good can come out of this, it will be for us as a society to look more carefully and discerningly at the factors that can result in some people developing such dark predilections. So that we can prevent young people getting to the point that the conscience dies and no longer responds with horror to worse and worse sexual depravity and cruelty against children.

I don't know anything about HE's background. But I personally don't believe very many people are 'born evil' I believe it's at best a combination of environmental/psychosocial factors along with character traits and weaknesses.

Porn addiction for e.g. is not treated the way Alcohol or drug addiction is. There is shame and stigma on a different level. You cannot readily go to your GP and get treated on the NHS for it e.g. (as far as I know anyway someone correct me if they know differently) yet you can lose everything, your marriage, your family. It causes many divorces and that's without a man consuming the truly perverted stuff. I personally really believe one ought to be able to have access to specialised therapy on the NHS. And (from reading another thread on this subject) I am wondering if people should be able to hand themselves voluntarily to the Police if they stray into looking at stuff they regret without fear of having the book thrown at them immediately or have some measure applied, I don't know.

I did a BSc psychology degree and we did modules on addiction, on how the brain adapts to constant stimulation by modulating itself so that you require more shocking stuff each time to get the same thrill, how neurotransmitters express themselves differently over time, so that you almost cannot get through a day without needing the hit. What we did not do, was cover porn addiction or anything to do with sex at all beyond relationships. I really think that was a weakness of the otherwise very comprehensive program. We covered paedophilia once briefly in a unit on family relationships and all that was said was that is a word we must only use in the strictest sense in a paper etc. Because most abusers of children are not truly paedophiles, they don't from a young age have an overwhelming attraction to children who haven't gone through puberty. They can be attracted to people who are past puberty meaning they have often cultivated that desire. A true paedophile may never act on such feelings and seek help and hate themselves.

We have research showing that lack of emotional engagement by a parent, excessively authoritarian parenting, parental absence or neglect or trauma in childhood often appear in the histories of drug and alcohol addicts. But porn addiction no one really adds that to the pile and yet logically, a stressed child has access to masturbation and the internet very easily, or may be exposed to inappropriate things at a young age. With alcohol or drugs or smoking, they often have to go through adults for those. It is much more easier now to access porn via internet. In my day a person would have to purchase a magazine from the top shelf of the newsagent and who would want to do endure the mortification of that? Not many. And it couldn't be anything truly debased. Now no one need see you at all.

I believe this starts with porn addiction most of the time. I conjecture that at one point H.E probably when younger than now, was just into porn and went further and further and did not get help, or possibily didn't want to. If he truly did have depression, maybe it made him more compulsive. Overtime, it came to dominate his personality and entwine itself in his character and he took greater risks to satisfy himself. It then took over his life. By then his conscience was more or less dead, now anchored by pride and a god persona created by years of sycophancy and seeming success. The success caused him to falsely believe he was controlling the situation and gave him a convenient alternative persona that few would ask questions of. He was able to split himself in two (men are good at compartmentalising) to avoid any cognitive dissonance and uncomfortable feelings. He went to work as one person and spent his time lying to himself the rest of the time. He became adept at it. A complete double life. He got used to it. Lies, lies, lies to himself and everyone every day and night. His poor wife was living with a stranger for years. His wife and lover was his addiction. It was more important and cherished by him than anything else probably by then.

As someone said earlier, paedophiles seldom show remorse. They double down or make excuses when confronted. They no longer are capable of feeling for their victims. It is probably now too late for any form of therapy or intervention to help H.E. (Well actually we don't know if this was the first and only time he had such severely grave material in his possession, but he hasn't displayed much humility publicly. He could have turned to the mass of cameras outside the courtroom and apologised to his family with his own voice for e.g. but didn't)

I do think far more has to be done to protect young people and tackle online porn. In some ways we are behaving like internet hasn't happened. I think Education wellbeing in schools TA's ought to be proactively trained to help and there should be a confiding service available in schools where young people can talk about any issues they are having, again, without the full force of the law necessarily being brought to bear.

I thought the government brought in the online safety bill to help tackle this stuff?

That's a really excellent, insightful post. Reassuring to see that there is some intelligent life on this thread!

BIossomtoes · 02/08/2024 19:30

Doubleender · 02/08/2024 19:23

Some scary nonce sympathisers on here.

Oh do grow up. Nobody, literally nobody, on this thread is a sympathiser. Every single poster has been appalled at Edwards’ behaviour. We just haven’t all got pitchforks in our hands.

Runnerinthenight · 02/08/2024 19:30

noworklifebalance · 02/08/2024 19:25

You two are hilarious.
The depth of your analysis of his psyche extends to how he is such a good presenter and even commented on Royal events. Stating the human psyche is nuanced and we need to understand why “someone like him” would commit such a crime.

One reason why he may have got away with it for as long as he did was because people like you do not seem to comprehend that someone like him could do something like this.

No-one else here is attempting to analyse why he has committed these crimes because we all know that we can’t. There is a huge amount of research out there about the risk factors that predispose someone to these crimes. Being a high achiever is not one of them.

As a society we cannot stop someone having these thoughts or predelictions. What the BBC and those close to HE need to do is see whether there were missed opportunities to report him.

There are organisations where you can self refer if you are having such thoughts or refer someone you think may be. I posted a link to one when the news first broke and contacted MNHQ to pin the post or advertise it themselves.

What the overwhelming number of us have been doing is trying to prevent these crimes being minimised by terms such as “indecent images”, “disappointing”, “fall from grace”, “most men have had images sent as a joke” or the fact that he said he didn’t want anything illegal made it ok that he had over 30 images of child sex abuse but failed to report it.

Not as hilarious as you are.

Try reading the post immediately above yours, from @DysonSphere . You might learn something.

EasternStandard · 02/08/2024 19:30

Runnerinthenight · 02/08/2024 19:26

It's your failure to comprehend what some posters are saying that's the issue here.

Tbf you’re not adding much beyond hurling insults, oddly

Runnerinthenight · 02/08/2024 19:32

EasternStandard · 02/08/2024 19:30

Tbf you’re not adding much beyond hurling insults, oddly

Seriously?!

EasternStandard · 02/08/2024 19:33

Runnerinthenight · 02/08/2024 19:32

Seriously?!

Yes seriously pretty much every post

BIossomtoes · 02/08/2024 19:34

EasternStandard · 02/08/2024 19:30

Tbf you’re not adding much beyond hurling insults, oddly

Oh, the irony.

Thank you @DysonSphere, that’s very thought provoking.

Runnerinthenight · 02/08/2024 19:34

EasternStandard · 02/08/2024 19:33

Yes seriously pretty much every post

Bored with you now, how childish.

EasternStandard · 02/08/2024 19:37

I haven’t insulted anyone

I have said I’ve found sound posts minimising. I still do.

And that his role as a presenter is irrelevant.

There are many men in the public eye who commit crimes of a similar nature, it’s of no interest to me what they do as a job. The crime is clear

noworklifebalance · 02/08/2024 19:46

Runnerinthenight · 02/08/2024 19:30

Not as hilarious as you are.

Try reading the post immediately above yours, from @DysonSphere . You might learn something.

Edited

It’s all supposition as to why he did it. No facts.
We all know that but we don’t know what is relevant to HE, which is why we haven’t suggested it.

As I said, we are unlikely to ever know.
We know what he did. Perhaps there is more, perhaps there isn’t.
What we must not do is minimise it and be distracted by the fact he was a successful newsreader, which is what you did in several posts. It is irrelevant.

Doubleender · 02/08/2024 19:48

noworklifebalance · 02/08/2024 19:46

It’s all supposition as to why he did it. No facts.
We all know that but we don’t know what is relevant to HE, which is why we haven’t suggested it.

As I said, we are unlikely to ever know.
We know what he did. Perhaps there is more, perhaps there isn’t.
What we must not do is minimise it and be distracted by the fact he was a successful newsreader, which is what you did in several posts. It is irrelevant.

Well said. All this talk of nuance and why he did it, what does it matter, really. Do you analyse all other criminals from the public eye so closely?

Runnerinthenight · 02/08/2024 19:50

noworklifebalance · 02/08/2024 19:46

It’s all supposition as to why he did it. No facts.
We all know that but we don’t know what is relevant to HE, which is why we haven’t suggested it.

As I said, we are unlikely to ever know.
We know what he did. Perhaps there is more, perhaps there isn’t.
What we must not do is minimise it and be distracted by the fact he was a successful newsreader, which is what you did in several posts. It is irrelevant.

Bollocks.

noworklifebalance · 02/08/2024 20:00

Runnerinthenight · 02/08/2024 19:50

Bollocks.

Eloquent as always

AnnieSnap · 02/08/2024 20:05

PreciousMahoney · 02/08/2024 00:37

Well yes exactly, my follow up post said exactly that

It’s news to me, but thanks for the clarification.

DysonSphere · 02/08/2024 20:18

Doubleender · 02/08/2024 19:48

Well said. All this talk of nuance and why he did it, what does it matter, really. Do you analyse all other criminals from the public eye so closely?

Over 800 convictions monthly apparently? That's an epidemic. Such men start creating victims either through acquiring harder and harder stuff eventually consuming images of sexual abuse of children and/or graduating to harming them. If we can stop that cycle from starting that will be useful and help less lives like the 17 year old's be ruined.

Seeking understanding is NOT excusing. Whatever the reasons, that person still committed a serious crime and will face the punishment.

Janiie · 02/08/2024 20:22

Doubleender · 02/08/2024 19:23

Some scary nonce sympathisers on here.

Ah but whyyy did he do it whyyy risk it all? Newsflash to the nuance brigade because he liked it! That's why we have sex offenders they enjoy what they do. Until they get caught then it's mh, nuances, debased etc etc zzzzz.

I worry about the couple of 'yeah but he's such a nice guy and looked lovely at Philips telly coverage' fans who may end up ever doing jury duty. Seriously bad people look nice. Please try not to minimise and be so ridiculous.

Doubleender · 02/08/2024 20:22

DysonSphere · 02/08/2024 20:18

Over 800 convictions monthly apparently? That's an epidemic. Such men start creating victims either through acquiring harder and harder stuff eventually consuming images of sexual abuse of children and/or graduating to harming them. If we can stop that cycle from starting that will be useful and help less lives like the 17 year old's be ruined.

Seeking understanding is NOT excusing. Whatever the reasons, that person still committed a serious crime and will face the punishment.

Seeking understanding so then what? You know why a man is a nonce but how are you going to stop the next 800? Have a nonce support line? All this Lessons Learned is getting a joke. There will always be murderers, rapists, paedos. Im sure there'll have been countless studies done so far for decades. And its probably getting worse not better.

Janiie · 02/08/2024 20:25

'Seeking understanding so then what? You know why a man is a nonce but how are you going to stop the next 800? Have a nonce support line'

They'll be wanting a chat wirh serial killers next. 'Yes hun but why did you risk your job and family life, hmm?' Because they are criminals and that is what they do.

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 02/08/2024 20:39

I think many people on here think HE did much more than he did.

Many people on here don’t think any such thing. They know that what HE did was already bad enough. No need for ‘much more’.

Over40Overdating · 02/08/2024 21:02

@DysonSphere that’s a really great post!

For all the ‘he’s just a nonce we don’t need to ask why he did it’ you need to read the parts of DysonSphere’s post about porn.

People now have access to the most extreme forms of porn and CSA within clicks if they chose to. And for free.

Porn users are becoming desensitised to the acts they are witnessing and needing to access more and more extreme acts to get the kick they are chasing. It is warping brains into thinking extreme sexual acts are normal or acceptable. Reality TV has desensitised us to people we watch on screens being real people and instead they exist to be consumed as entertainment.

There are people who get off on how ‘wrong’ what they are viewing is, not because they are sexually interested in the content but because it’s a thrill they can’t get from ‘straight’ porn anymore because that’s so commonplace as to be boring now.

It used to be that men would buy a top shelf mag and teenage boys would get off on seeing boobs. Now phones and the access they give us to things that previously would have taken huge effort to find or were so unheard of as to be completely taboo, are eroding boundaries in quick time.

The person who supplied HE with CSA material like it was pictures of shoes, is 25. What has he been exposed to, to be so indifferent to the suffering he’s passing off as wank fodder, at that age. With a 12 month suspended sentence, he isn’t going to see the error of his ways, he’ll just get better at covering his tracks. Some form of regulation might have stopped him accessing content at a young age that set him on the path he’s now on and likely will never get off.

We have a huge issue with what unfettered access to sexual content and the normalisation of extreme acts is doing to us as a society.