‘Children’ and ‘adults’ in Southport massacre

[Supersimkin7]

All the papers are reporting that the Southport victims are ‘children’ who
were protected by ‘adults’.

The Southport victims are little girls who were protected by two women, now fighting for their lives.

No one needs to report what sex the killer is.

Male violence against women is a national emergency, say the police.

AIBU to think misgendering a massacre is the lowest of the low?

@Supersimkin7 the ‘lowest of the low’ is attacking and killing adults and children. Anything else in your post is utter nonsense. Go away.

the first thing that struck me is that it wasn’t even true because some of the victims WERE male.

The man who intervened and got stabbed wasn't one of the intended victims though.
Yes, of course it's equally tragic if any of the other children turn out to be boys, but it's wrong to imply that its irrelevant whether this event was targeted because of the probable demographic or not. We don't yet know what the murderer's motivation was but it's very important that this is discovered, to help prevent future recurrences. People want the police and government to do 'something' - without understanding the motives how can they even attempt to do the right something?

@Supersimkin7 I’ve also watched many news reports where they are described as little girls and women. This is the most bizarre post I’ve seen on mumsnet in a long time, and that’s saying something.

That’s assuming that the motivation was definitely to specifically target girls though. I suspect it was more likely to target children but obviously I don’t know. Anyway at the time the news broke it presumably wasn’t completely confirmed that all attendees were female. It wasn’t billed as an all girls event and even in our sexist society we can’t assume that everyone attending an event like this is female.

Boys are subjected to violence at the same level as girls. If there were boys in that group, and there could have been, they would have been at just as much risk as everyone else. OP, your post is ridiculous.

That’s assuming that the motivation was definitely to specifically target girls though

I very clearly made no such assumption. We don't know yet.

No they are not. VAWG is a huge problem. Often it happens in the home. Boys / men are rarely attacked just because they are male.

The attacker picked this venue for a reason, we don't know what that reason is yet, but it could be that he was attacking just girls / females.

The École Polytechnique massacre in Montreal had 4 male victims but they were not the targets.

Calling it "misgendering" means your point is lost. That's a ridiculousterm to use. "Misgendering" is not what is happening.

What the media/police etc are doing is not making it clear that this was an attack, by a male, which was targeted at girls. Girls who were at their dance class. The dance teachers were also attacked, either because they were in the way of him getting to the girls, or they were targeted too.

That some men then got hurt when they tried to stop the guy attacking the girls (and women) doesn't change the fact that this was targeted at girls.

I’m not even sure what your point is?

Even though it may seem obvious that he targeted little girls we haven't actually heard an official explanation for why he did what he did yet, if it was religious or if he was an incel, mentally ill etc... once that is established it could change the language of how it's being reported.

I do wonder if he had similar motivations to the person responsible for the Arianna Grande concert, because it was Taylor Swift event. In which case they were too quick to describe it as non terror.

@Pigeonqueen

No, it hasn't. I have not once heard the sex of the children still in critical care. That the 3 dead children are girls, yes.

we don't know how many boys were attending the yoga & dance class.

We can’t fix this till we tell the truth

you have no idea what the ‘truth’ is. You weren’t there, you’re not an officer on the case, you’re a member of the public with an agenda and no qualms about using whatever this turns out to be to fit it.

stay in your lane and stop speculating about things you have no idea about, involvement with or reason to think you’re in any way helpful with.

I'm not sure what's disrespectful about wanting to address the pattern that's led to this. When women or children are murdered, it's almost always by men. This is about male violence, notwithstanding the fact that the OP seems a little confused about what misgendering is. When the dust has settled, perhaps the most respectful thing we could do as a nation is to put some more effort into figuring out why men do this and how it can be stopped.

You are using a tragedy to further your own agenda.
Not only are you being unreasonable, you're as low as those thugs who use it to further their racist agenda.
Reel your neck in.

Thanks.

Astonishing that people are insisting this thread contains speculation.

It’s asking whether we should look at the only facts we know.

You're posting outright lies and using it to further your agenda.
Just stop posting and go for a walk or something.

Lies aplenty in this thread, in others’ posts. Wonder why - interesting.

Now in yours above @KamalaVermi , possibly not as interesting. Sleep well.

At this point the identity of the victims (not just the girls who have died) is NOT known. Because the reporting is being sensitive to those involved.

You can believe all you like that this is VAWG but in reality you too are speculating. Your certainty does not make it fact. If it is confirmed I'm sure the conversation around it will take on another dimension. A lot will come out at his trial, his background, his internet searches, his social life and his associates and so on. But for now, no you are not stating what is known.

They’ve just confirmed one of the three rescuers who ran in & took on the knifeman was a guy. Point taken.

Honestly I’m starting to think there are AI bots on here. There have been so many bizarre posts/ posters this past week just recanting and re quoting people quite aggressively - when it turns out they aren’t even disagreeing. Just recanting in a combative way. This isn’t this thread specific btw. I have just sat back this evening and been watching and it is weird.

And on the topic of whether it was VaWG. It was a pregnancy and postnatal care centre who were happening to do summer holiday care. Of course it’s VAWG. The man didn’t attack the taxi driver, the garage owners, or run at the guy who starred him out at the bottom of the stairs.

What are you on about

Wow. There was you, and there was the point you were trying to make zooming right over your head. Your ridiculous post is not necessary and I hope that no relatives come across this particular post. Give yourself a bloody good shake. As a person, you've let yourself down on a public forum. Enjoy that.
Whatever you're aiming at, you've spectacularly messed up. From the updates I see you're clinging to a male being identified. So does it make you feel good now to know that a male helped out when adult women risked their lives to defend children and remain in hospital, as do so many little girls.
Whatever point you're after making, save it. This is not the time. This is not the place. Just stop and try to have some respect.

This.

I think you should rephrase this.