‘Children’ and ‘adults’ in Southport massacre

[Supersimkin7]

All the papers are reporting that the Southport victims are ‘children’ who
were protected by ‘adults’.

The Southport victims are little girls who were protected by two women, now fighting for their lives.

No one needs to report what sex the killer is.

Male violence against women is a national emergency, say the police.

AIBU to think misgendering a massacre is the lowest of the low?

The OP’s point was that this was a man deliberately targeting women and girls. Male violence against women and girls is a massive and increasing problem. Calling the victims adults and children, rather than women and girls, obscures that fact.
This is not a trivial point.

So it's 'not all men' now

Backtracking....thread didn't go the way op wanted

@Supersimkin7 I think lowest of the low is the murderer and the far right bovver boys there tonight- not a bit of obtuse 'misgendering' - designed to protect IDS -

I see the point you're making to a certain degree and it does seem clear that in this instance women and female children were targeted. However, news reporters are reporting as and when they get updates themselves - including the identities of the poor girls that have lost their lives and the women who were injured trying to protect them. They've also reported about others who tried to help, both men and women. This is a dreadful tragedy, which I'm quite sure has been felt across the country. While news is still unfolding and children are still critically ill, surely the focus has to be on those affected, and ensuring that they and anyone else involved are supported.

www.pennlive.com/crime/2021/10/tragedy-at-west-nickel-mines-amish-school-15-years-ago-girls-were-shot-execution-style.html?outputType=amp

How many times? THE MEDIA DIDN'T KNOW, OR WEREN'T YET ABLE TO REPORT, WHO THE VICTIMS WERE.

This was not some conspiracy to hide misogyny. This was respecting the privacy and the identity of the victims until their families were ready for the names to be reported.

Excellent analysis in this article.

Apart from being an insult to the public’s intelligence, what’s galling about this obfuscation is that it’s literally only a few days since MVWG was being described as a national emergency in need of urgent, coordinated action. A report issued by the National Police Chiefs’ Council presented a grim picture: reported offences have risen by nearly 40 percent in five years, to a staggering 3000 a day. In Britain it’s estimated that some 4 million men pose a significant threat to women and girls.

@Supersimkin7 you are absolutely right that this should be recognised and reported accurately as MVAWG.
How is it disrespectful to the victims to raise this? It's disrespectful to hide it, as the media have been doing.
It's not a political issue, it's a public safety issue and it should be made a huge political issue because it's a huge problem, getting worse with younger perpetrators who feel disengaged from society for whatever reason and decide to take it out on poor defenceless girls - not mixed sex children, this boy only targeted girls.
The whole "child on child" abuse term again hides the facts: 80% of attackers are boys, 80% of victims are girls.
It should absolutely be named for what it is so we can work out how to address it.
Those poor families need to know we are onto it, so these horrors don't happen again, not that weak media reporting is hiding the truth of the issue.

I think we need to wait until we know more info. If it is indeed a male attacker deliberately targeting female victims (as it certainly appears to be) I would expect this to be seen as a hate crime in the same way as if he’d deliberately targeted a religious group or the LGBT community.

Jeez, that's such ridiculous nonsense, I mean really in the non -sense way. A ramble of absolute rubbish
And goady

If the perpetrator was black and by tins were white, could it be a racist crime. If it were the other way round, it would have been labelled as that. But at the end of the day, it’s a crime where the attacker deserves to rot in hell.

Oh do be quiet about misgendering! Are the two women not adults & are the little girls not children? Anyway, we should be more concerned about this happening and why it's happened than banding this kind of nonsense about.

I agree with you OP. Yet another man commits a horrific violent attack. When will it end? Never I suspect.

They can still report it as VAWG.

How can they when we don't know what happened yet or who the other victims are?

That isn’t what mis gendering is.

i agree OP. It wasn’t until yesterday evening that I heard a reporter talk about all the victims being girls and that that made it look like this was a deliberate massacre of little girls. By a male. That is relevant.

I hope the only reason this was not mentioned before was because the authorities were not yet releasing details of victims. Though to be honest, the fact it was a TS dance event made it clear immediately that the victims and intended victims would have been all or overwhelmingly girls.

I agree with you that we do need to be able to talk about male violence targeted against girls and women.

Do you actually understand what misgendering is?

This

I'm sick of the performative ‘frothing at the mouth’ on the backs of someone else pain and suffering. Violence against women and girls is important and is sadly far too common, the reaching in this instance, is unnecessary and opportunistic.

The weeks and months will reveal the the events leading up to this tragedy: the riots, the gnashing of teeth, the Go fund me page etc are for self interest driven.

I notice the bloody “men” don’t riot when it’s violence against women and girls unless they’re “foreigners”

such yobbos

Yes I do think this needs to be framed as it is. A male who targeted little girls. Why specifically he targeted little girls will I’m sure be looked into, but action needs to be taken against male violence against women and girls specifically.

Violence against women and girls is definitely a big issue and the new government has recognised this and made appointments specifically to tackle it.

We don't yet know what this attack was about though

But the reason they have been stabbed may well be just because they are girls.

Men don't get why women prefer the bear in that online question. Gladly very few children have an experience as bad as this but VAMG is a thing, something we should be tackling.

And one way to start is to report accurately

Stephen Lawrence was killed because racism is a thing. And we named it as that. We still name it as that.

Stephen Lawrence was killed because racism is a thing. And we named it as that. We still name it as that.

Not before it was released officially who he was though.

People didn't say that 'according to social media' or 'probably it was racist' like they are here.

I think the way you've written your OP is problematic and makes a lot of assumptions, plus that is not what 'misgendering' is.

But if anyone is interested, there is an excellent article here by the feminist linguist Deborah Cameron: https://debuk.wordpress.com/2024/07/30/a-modest-proposal/

She refers to this recent tragedy as part of a wider discussion about the use of sex neutral language in the media and how it can gloss over the important issue male violence against women, and some suggestions as to why. It's very interesting and well written (as are all her blogs)

It matters very much when there is an epidemic of violence against women and girls from male perpetrators. We need to recognise instances of it when it happens to understand the scale.

I have seen people trumpeting this and the first thing that struck me is that it wasn’t even true because some of the victims WERE male. By its nature, the vast majority or all attendees at a Taylor Swift dance class will be girls but it would be equally tragic if some had been boys. They were little children and defenceless - their sex doesn’t matter here. It has an echo of Owen Jones where he stormed off stage on a tv debate because people weren’t describing victims of the Orlando mass shooting the way he wanted them to. It just comes across as annoying and performative. As does any reference to trans stuff.

There’s an epidemic of violence against male victims too. Proportionately, far more victims of violence are male than female, although the difference with female victims is that they pose less of a threat so attacking them is particularly heinous.

Additionally, literally every time a woman is murdered, ALL the headlines are “woman killed” or “mother killed”. There’s definitely not a trend of using gender neutral language so jumping on this this ONE time just seems unnecessary.