‘Children’ and ‘adults’ in Southport massacre

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All the papers are reporting that the Southport victims are ‘children’ who
were protected by ‘adults’.

The Southport victims are little girls who were protected by two women, now fighting for their lives.

No one needs to report what sex the killer is.

Male violence against women is a national emergency, say the police.

AIBU to think misgendering a massacre is the lowest of the low?

Do you know that because you live in the area? Even then, it's unlikely that they would have turned a boy away if they had wanted to go.

When’s the ‘right time’ to acknowledge VAWG though?

There never seems to be one.

It wasn't advertised as being for girls

No fair point, I had actually meant to quote a PP who was asking about, I thought, how posters knew the sex of the poor children who died. I’m of the opinion that it’s not really the time to have the VAWG discussion, this is all so awfully tragically raw, but I can understand why women are thinking it. I certainly am - why do so many men keep killing. Why. It’s so hopeless 😞

When’s the ‘right time’ to acknowledge VAWG though?

There never seems to be one.

Nor to acknowledge that it's male violence. Never a right time.

@WhyIOughtTo Apparently I still can’t quote on browser instead of the app! see above.

I made the mistake of watching the 6 o'clock news - Southport, Bushey, London, Epsom - all men killing women/families.
Those who intervened (male) are absolute heroes, and obviously this is not most men BUT I do think it suggests a problem.

I completely agree with you, op. Those disagreeing remind me of NRA types who criticise people for “politicising” gun attacks.

People were killed and injured, we don’t know the motive, whether it was because they were female or not, not anyone’s place to speculate. The ‘lowest of the low’ as you like to say, is that people have been murdered, not perceived misgendering in news articles FFS.

When else would you point out that the media is nor reporting the misogyny other that when it happens?

For crying out loud. This is a terrible and very recent tragedy. It's in very poor taste to use it as a debating point.

But if it was an attack on any other group that information would be seen as important.

I agree. But OP is simply wrong to complain that the adults involved aren't being called women - men were also injured while attempting to help.

I thought they were only not specifying because not all the victims/injured have been named.

(I agree that male violence towards women and girls is never strongly stood up against - this video albeit not from uk says it so well vm.tiktok.com/ZGebCW6FG/)

Only the children who died. We don't know who the children and adults in hospital are.

AIBU to think misgendering a massacre is the lowest of the low?

Leaving aside that you don't know what misgendering means, if you honestly think that the media not reporting the sexes of the people in hospital is "the lowest of the low", I really don't know where to start arguing with you.

This! Wtaf!

When is the right time to raise the issue of male violence and violence against women and girls?

Ignoring it doesn't seem to be stopping it.

Calling it an "isolated incident" doesn't stop it either.

This one was particularly brutal and senseless to civilised people- as was the recent Australian shopping centre murder rapage. But there's an endless catalogue of male violence- last week's murder of three women in Bushey. So many more targeted "domestic" murders barely make blips on local news. How many more families need to be destroyed before it's the right time to start identifying patterns and hopefully stop the plague of young violent men with no respect for human life, and especially those of women and children who they don't see as equals.

We can handwring and empathise about the horror that the victims and their familes are enduring, and make connections too.

Brave and selfless man.

Businessman Jonathan Hayes was among those who tried to intervene. He was stabbed in the leg as he tried to disarm the knifeman after running to help when he heard the piercing screams from his office.

He could have sat in the safety of his office minding his business.

Christ on a bike! Please stop right now about misgendering and misogyny about an event where young children were killed. They were attacked because the guy was a nutter, end of!

When is the right time to raise the issue of male violence and violence against women and girls?

OP wasn't raising the issue of male violence. She was complaining about the media not referring to the victims as women and girls. Which was entirely unreasonable as the media wasn't (and still isn't) in a position to know or report the sexes of the victims in hospital.

Absolutely - and a neighbour got ten girls to safety. Both blokes.

Not all men…

Yep this is exactly so

AIBU to think misgendering a massacre is the lowest of the low?

Well no, that'd be what the EDL thugs are doing.