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To not want to see t*ts on the beach??!

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TittiesOutPutThemBack · 30/07/2024 12:34

Just that really!

on holiday at the mo and I cant even count the number of times I have seen topless women sunbathing at the beach… next to kids!…on non-nudist beach!

I really don’t want to see titties out in the middle of the day

on top of that I don’t fancy my teenage boys or even my DH having a look at them either

its obvious they’re coming from certain European countries ! Do they have no sense of what’s right or wrong ?

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LBFseBrom · 30/07/2024 14:04

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:-)

I used to go topless in the 1980s and 90s on holiday and it felt really nice. I wouldn't now, I fit your description.

cupcaske123 · 30/07/2024 14:04

Mondaysocial · 30/07/2024 14:03

Why do you think humans have evolved to have breasts like that then?

Breasts are the shape they are for carrying milk and breastfeeding.

ThrillhouseVanHouten · 30/07/2024 14:04

ElleintheWoods · 30/07/2024 13:49

Thank you.

I’m just tired of explaining our culture to people, even though it’s such a similar culture in many ways.

I’m Danish. While mixed public nudity isn’t extremely common in my experience, single sex nudity is really common, eg changing rooms, saunas etc.

It’s not right or wrong, but having lived in other cultures, I can see a couple of benefits:

  • Females from a young age (and males too) have seen a wide range of naked bodies of all ages. They have a better grasp of what’s ‘normal’ and better body confidence. They know that bodies in media and porn are outliers, not standard, and compare themselves less harshly
  • Because mixed nudity is also somewhat normal, eg skinny dipping with friends (most people have done it), people don’t see the opposite sex just as objects, boys know what normal naked women look like. Not every action that involves showing some skin equals sexual to them. Whereas foreign young men (well, British and American mostly) equal seeing any functional body part as being seduced

I’m still sometimes having to remind myself that I need to be more modest in Britain as so many non-sexual actions are interpreted as sexual here and mixed-sex socialising is less acceptable. And when my mum visits I need to police her as she thinks something like getting changed on the beach is ok!

Every country has their own cultural norms.

Scandinavian people generally fall in line in Britain and don’t force everyone to eat cinnamon buns or get their tits out. If it was Britain they’d be covered up if they knew what was ok and what wasn’t.

While it’s easy to judge a culture, I really wish people would give a little more thought to the background of some cultural practices. We aren’t a nation of attention seeking tit flashers, our concept of nudity is entirely different.

Thank you for this!

I'm not Danish but happy to lead the campaign for more cinnamon buns and casual nudity.

movingonsaturday · 30/07/2024 14:04

But you don't mind seeing male tits?

SerafinasGoose · 30/07/2024 14:05

ItsAlrightDarling · 30/07/2024 13:20

They’re not forcing anything on you, you don’t have to go abroad.

When I visit conservative countries I cover to my elbows and knees. I have large scarves with me so that if I visit a mosque or orthodox church I can cover my head. Even Catholic churches don't allow uncovered shoulders. That's fine: their church, their rules.

This form of conservative covering up is not a practice I habitually follow. I don't necessarily approve of only women being expected to cover our bodies as though they are somehow offensive. But if I objected to this enough to complain on an internet forum, I'd simply choose to visit countries where this wasn't the expected custom.

No one's forcing you to look at anyone's tits. The rest of the world doesn't have to tie itself in knots just to suit particular cultural or religious sensitivities which might not even be a thing in that particular country.

Don't like it, don't go.

RedPoster · 30/07/2024 14:05

Mondaysocial · 30/07/2024 14:03

Why do you think humans have evolved to have breasts like that then?

Go have a good look at primate breasts, like gorillas. Then come back. Our breasts have evolved from theirs. Not for sex. If they were purely sexual then early humans and some current tribes would also have covered them titties. They don’t. Because it’s societal, not evolutionary.

VJBR · 30/07/2024 14:05

Maybe go to Butlins next year. More suitable if you’re uptight about boobs.

idctbfh · 30/07/2024 14:05

Insane how many women on here are brainwashed into thinking that having your tts out in public is okay and normal. It isn’t. When your husband / partner grabs them in the bedroom, then tell me that they aren’t sexual and you don’t want them to be sexualised. They shouldn’t be for other people to see. Go to a nudist beach if you want to be on display where people choose to do and see that kind of thing. Comparing mens breasts to women’s breasts is invalid. They are totally different, and when kids are there it’s fcking weird and borderline p*do. There are ratings on movies for this very reason, NUDITY IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR CHILDREN. Also some adults don’t wanna see it. OP you are not being unreasonable whatsoever. This isn’t about hating the female body or needing to grow up. It’s that nudist beach’s exist for this preference and normal beaches should be family friendly.

Catza · 30/07/2024 14:06

dutysuite · 30/07/2024 14:03

It would make me feel violated getting my tits out and allowing men I don’t know have a good look at them…for free.

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So you'd feel less violated if they paid you?

silverhamster · 30/07/2024 14:06

sprigatito · 30/07/2024 12:51

No, I don't think we are underestimating how alluring they are, we are just pointing out that that is in no way our problem and it doesn't need to affect our freedoms. If you (or any other pathetic lech) can't exist in the presence of women's bodies without being troubled by intrusive thoughts, that's wholly a you problem, and you should probably just avoid beaches altogether 🤷🏻‍♀️

Teens and people approaching teenage years DO find it difficult and embarrassing - that is a fact. It takes time to adapt and not find it uncomfortable. That does not make them 'a pathetic lech' as you call it. What a cruel viewpoint.

Wellieswithsocks · 30/07/2024 14:06

Beljin · 30/07/2024 13:58

There's this weird universe feminists seem to inhibit where sexuality doesn't exist. Nudity has no sexual element or pull, genitals are just for peeing, breasts are just another body part like ears etc.

Of course if men no more than glance at a semi-nude woman, especially an attractive one, they're pervs. Not simply men who are biologically wired that way with every natural instinct telling them to do so.

Back in the real world though, sexuality is a thing. Males are biologically wired to impregnate as many females as possible, which in practice means where there is naked flesh, men will at least steal glances. Amd some body parts have dual purposes, one of those being sexual attraction.

We can and should teach men to behave respectfully towards women, but let's not pretend sexuality and desire doesn't exist.

I agree with this too.

Of course if public nudity were more normalised, as it is in other European countries, it would be less of an issue. I’ve noticed in the U.K. that it’s usually attractive women with slim bodies that sunbathe topless, so naturally they attract some glances. If women of all ages and sizes were comfortable topless it would seem more natural. Unfortunately, society tells women to be ashamed of their bodies unless they have the perfect figure, so many are too self-conscious to do so.

BTW the results of the poll on this thread is interesting- I wonder how many posters criticising OP for her discomfort regularly go topless themselves?

I rarely do - last time I did was at a German ‘wellness’ hotel in the Black Forest 😂

dutysuite · 30/07/2024 14:07

ItsAlrightDarling · 30/07/2024 14:04

Do you tend to charge?

None of your business sweetheart

Deebee90 · 30/07/2024 14:07

get Over yourself you racist idiot. If you don’t like it don’t look. We all have the same parts.

Mnk711 · 30/07/2024 14:07

OP this is such a stupid attitude showing zero cultural awareness. You do realise that in many countries people would find you going around in your shorts and tshirt with hair uncovered would be seen as indecent? Do you therefore always cover your hair and all skin to ensure you don't offend anyone of more conservative cultures? In many other places it is perfectly fine and normal for women to wander around all day with their breasts on display. The fact is there is a range of cultural norms around nudity. You should be aligning your approach with that of the country you are in - and in Cyprus topless sunbathing is perfectly fine. If you don't like it holiday somewhere with more conservative standards eg Dubai.

HappierTimesAhead · 30/07/2024 14:07

idctbfh · 30/07/2024 14:05

Insane how many women on here are brainwashed into thinking that having your tts out in public is okay and normal. It isn’t. When your husband / partner grabs them in the bedroom, then tell me that they aren’t sexual and you don’t want them to be sexualised. They shouldn’t be for other people to see. Go to a nudist beach if you want to be on display where people choose to do and see that kind of thing. Comparing mens breasts to women’s breasts is invalid. They are totally different, and when kids are there it’s fcking weird and borderline p*do. There are ratings on movies for this very reason, NUDITY IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR CHILDREN. Also some adults don’t wanna see it. OP you are not being unreasonable whatsoever. This isn’t about hating the female body or needing to grow up. It’s that nudist beach’s exist for this preference and normal beaches should be family friendly.

When your husband / partner grabs them in the bedroom WHAT THE?!! I think you need some help.

MissingMoominMamma · 30/07/2024 14:07

TittiesOutPutThemBack · 30/07/2024 12:38

How can I not look? They are not far from me!

there are not many t**s on the streets , why are they right there on the beach?

it’s not a nudist beach there are tens of families around how is that normal?

People don’t walk round in their pants on the street either…

Emeraldiisland · 30/07/2024 14:07

TittiesOutPutThemBack · 30/07/2024 12:48

They can take them out all they want

my Issue is where they are doing it
i am sure there are nudists areas where I am, there are definitely some more isolated areas

wtf does this happen in a very public and full of families area

they don’t need to do this to prove a point, and I don’t need to accept it. Breasts are private otherwise we d all take them out in the office too!

I don’t want to see someone else private bits !

By that logic men should cover their chests too as they don't have them on display at the office either. Yet it's just women you're moaning about.

Mondaysocial · 30/07/2024 14:08
  • Females from a young age (and males too) have seen a wide range of naked bodies of all ages. They have a better grasp of what’s ‘normal’ and better body confidence. They know that bodies in media and porn are outliers, not standard, and compare themselves less harshly

I think this is a good point of the benefits of single sex nudity ( that is what this poster was talking about). I remember starting to go the gym when I was about 20 and being genuinely surprised to see other women with cellulite and flabby bits and so on. It made me realise that media images had got into my brain without me realising it and made me internalise the (erroneous) message that all women had smooth perfect toned bodies.

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 30/07/2024 14:08

Beljin · 30/07/2024 13:58

There's this weird universe feminists seem to inhibit where sexuality doesn't exist. Nudity has no sexual element or pull, genitals are just for peeing, breasts are just another body part like ears etc.

Of course if men no more than glance at a semi-nude woman, especially an attractive one, they're pervs. Not simply men who are biologically wired that way with every natural instinct telling them to do so.

Back in the real world though, sexuality is a thing. Males are biologically wired to impregnate as many females as possible, which in practice means where there is naked flesh, men will at least steal glances. Amd some body parts have dual purposes, one of those being sexual attraction.

We can and should teach men to behave respectfully towards women, but let's not pretend sexuality and desire doesn't exist.

And I’m attracted to males and the male upper body. Not all men (obviously) but definitely some of them… nice chest? A broad back? Yes, please!!

Should I therefore force men cover up with swim shirts? Or bikini tops? Or is it simply a fact of life that I acknowledge and move on from? Without imposing my sexuality on others?

SandyLanes · 30/07/2024 14:09

Have you never been to a beach before? Topless sunbathing is hardly a new thing. No idea why it offends you so much though.

PotNoodleNancy · 30/07/2024 14:09

@TittiesOutPutThemBack

Did you vote for Brexit by any chance?? 🤔🤣🤣

SarahSosej · 30/07/2024 14:09

It’s just t*ts, who cares?

Wasntmeanttobelikethis · 30/07/2024 14:10

Journo looking for a lazy story/article?

notprincehamlet · 30/07/2024 14:10

Just because.

To not want to see t*ts on the beach??!
Mondaysocial · 30/07/2024 14:12

cupcaske123 · 30/07/2024 14:04

Breasts are the shape they are for carrying milk and breastfeeding.

Women don't need to have all that flesh to carry milk or breastfeed. Other mammals don't have this and still breast feed. Its a very human thing. We have that large fleshy bit, very prominently displayed on the front of our bodies, to display sexual maturity and attract sexually mature males.

I don't really understand why so many women want to deny this.

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