Just Stop Oil are my heroes!

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I have changed my name for this, but there is so much negativity and hate towards JSO, Insulate Britain, and ER on these boards, that I really want to risk putting my head above the parapet and saying "WOOOHOO! I AM RIGHT BEHIND YOU!!"

These are wonderful people sacrificing their own liberty and careers to bring attention to their cause - and it really works! There have been huge benefits, so many companies are aware of them, and taking steps to avoid being in the firing line by upping their investments in environmental mitigations.

And the huge amount of attention that insulation got- it is now high up on so many agendas! Why did it take protesters gluing themselves to the road to do it? It should have happened anyway, but it didn't. People had to make that sacrifice, but themselves in danger, lose jobs, careers, liberty, etc, to get results.

People moan about having their days disrupted, etc by JSO, without caring how much their days are going to be disrupted by the climate crisis running out of control.

I have cancer. I couldn't get to a chemo appointment once because of JSO. I 100% support their actions. I think their cause is so much bigger than one person. They are acting to protect millions.

No doubt people will come here and bitch and moan and I don't care really, at least anyone from JSO who is on MN will see my thread title.

I completely agree with you OP and wish I had the balls to do it myself

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I try to be zero waste, I'm vegan, I grow my own food, I try to reduce my environmental impact as much as possible.

JSO are attention seeking nobheads. Throwing paint made from plastic that likely comes in a non recyclable container, over a treasured artwork which has nothing to do with there 'cause' throwing food when millions of people are starving around the world and in the uk too many people are relying on food banks. Using glue which is likely derived from oil to cause chaos on the roads when people are just trying to make ends meet getting to work or taking children to school or trying to get to the hospital is just attention seeking. All they advertise is that they're complete idiots who want attention.

And then let's think about it, they succeed. Oil is stopped. Now what? Wind and solar are going to magically pop up everywhere and miraculously generate enough energy? Have they said how we would cope with maintaining a standard of living without oil? Have they given any answers? No because they'd rather waste there lives doing pointless stunts that do nothing but annoy everyone.

I've got mixed feelings about it. These highly disruptive protests are problematic but at the same time I'm a bit wary of these new laws allowing harsh punishments for protests that are deemed disruptive. Right now we are all pretty against blocking the M25, but I can see these rules and the threat of imprisonment and tough sentences being used to really curb all kinds of protests because many of them inconvenience someone.

That’s interesting - thanks. The lack of factual evidence; how they target their actions; impact on general public, often affecting people from less privileged backgrounds

I live the next road over from one of the JSO protestors that got arrested in the dawn raids recently.

She was involved in the M25 stoppage and the smashing of a bank’s window, and orange paint throwing and our local fb page was close to setting up a street party when the news broke.

I support people who want to prevent horrific climate change. JSO are a bunch of posh idiots living off their parent’s cash whilst they make everyone’s lives harder.

It almost makes me want to put my recycling in the rubbish. Whenever I see JSO it makes me want to waste oil. So they need to rethink their strategy.

Following on from my last PP, and because am not tired and can’t sleep…

Interesting fact: every car tyre uses 5gallons of crude oil in it’s manufacture. So even if you use an EV, you have needed 20gallons for every set of 4. A barrel of oil is 42 gallons, so makes 2 full sets. It takes 22 gallons to make a tyre for an articulated lorry (12 wheels, so 6 barrels of oil) - apparently there is a shortage of gum trees so it is not possible to replace oil as a component. Nor in the manufacture, even were there to be a miracle increase in gum trees. And certainly, not by 2030 when JSO want us to ‘stop burning oil’ acc to their mission statement.

I wonder if they, or any of their supporters, can come up with a viable alternative?

The comments on here are really classist. I have a friend who engages in ER protests, she's a fantastic person. I have also been disrupted by an ER protest, minor inconvenience compared to the importance of the cause and right to protest. I think the sentences handed to JSO were ridiculous and will be hard to explain to future generations, they also set a really awful precedent for the right to non violent protest

Okay I take your point. I suppose I was surprised by the degree of hate; multiple uses of the word, “cunt”, suggestions of people seemingly taking pleasure from the idea that they would be suffering in prison… but I see how you’re saying that you’re not thinking they deserve longer sentences than people who commit violent or sexual assaults.

I suppose I find it so depressing that it’s such an awful predicament we’re in and there is more we can do and the actions of JSO seem to shift the focus from the actual problem

I’ve seen a protest prevent an ambulance pass in London. Grow up

Could you really justify their actions if a child died because the ambulance couldn't get through?
What if an entire family died in a house fire because they blocked the fire engines?
What if they directly caused the death of whoever you lost most because they believe that their protests are more important than the lives of those right there in that moment?

Fight for what you believe in, by all means. But the moment you think it's justifiable to risk others then I lose all respect for you and, what is probably most important to you and JSO - I stop listening.
All they're doing is making people despise them and want to help less. Not much to be proud of there.

Minor inconvenience of someone's child not getting to hospital in time because the ambulance is unable to get through traffic stopped by jso? Minor inconvenience of not being able to get to see your dying parent because of jso? Minor inconvenience of seeing people with no clue head to toe in oil manufactured clothing and shoes, coming from a house that uses oil, by transport that uses oil to disrupt lives of normal people who have no bloody say in the matter and are just trying to live their lives.

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Maybe they should try protesting in China who are building coal fired power stations. See how that pans out.

@CharlotteLightandDark I don't work with any of them, just saying I know how they will be feeling. I don't know them at all....op says she knows them

I think the ‘hate’ is because of the fact that their actions directly caused people to die. We express similar feelings of antipathy to murders, drunk drivers, but for some reason these protesters are exempt?

I do think that while Cressida is obviously a privileged, MC woman from a wealthy background ( as was Pheobe Plummer, tomato soup girl, and Riz Poznet, TRA girl who glued hands to floor at the Oxford Union), the movements using/recruiting these are to blame for the perceptions the public are forming. They are pushing these women front and centre in their twitter/tiktok PR, revelling in the media attention it garners. And it is a shot in their own foot, so to speak, as choosing women with whom most of the public have little in common, and indeed an increasing amount of disdain for, does little to harness empathy and support.

@RainintheDesert I bet it was oil based paint as well.

'About 280,000 jobs in the UK are supported by oil and gas production. The UK oil and gas supply chain services domestic activities and exports about £12 billion of goods and services to the rest of the world.'
So how are all of those people going to survive and feed their families, even more people relying on foodbanks but with 12 billion less in the pot where will the government take it from? How will people afford to donate to the food banks?

'UK oil and gas installations participate in the European Union Emission Trading Scheme (EU ETS) which aims to reduce emissions of carbon dioxide and combat the threat of climate change' from 2000-2007 there was a 10% decrease. More cars than ever use electricity (a lot of which is produced by oil though) so in JSO world Britain would be a 3rd world country with no transport at all and restrictions on how much electricity you can use depending on how much has been produced by solar and wind. Meanwhile China chokes to death in its own smog but hey at least the poor people in the UK won't realise as no more computers or phones can be produced.

@mrswinter69 whatever your opinion is of the OP, do you really think abuse like that is appropriate?

They killed people too.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1686269/Just-Stop-Oil-Dartford-Bridge-M20-Lisa-Webber-BMW-Mark-Heap-CPR-ont

They have to be a plant by Big Oil. They're so utterly despised, such hateful entitled arseholes, and they were founded by Aileen Getty an oil heiress, who's either a total moron, or a total genius.

As for their sentences, the reality that most criminals deserve longer sentences doesn't alter the fact that this time the judge got it exactly right.

The only thing Just Fuck Off - as they're known in memes - have achieved is to prove that there very much is such a thing as bad publicity.

Reported. Hopefully MNHQ will take that post down.

Bully for you. I think they’re self-indulgent pricks.

But will your friend also take her protests to the countries that are causing the most damage to the environment and contributing most to climate change? And if not, why not?