Just Stop Oil are my heroes!

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I have changed my name for this, but there is so much negativity and hate towards JSO, Insulate Britain, and ER on these boards, that I really want to risk putting my head above the parapet and saying "WOOOHOO! I AM RIGHT BEHIND YOU!!"

These are wonderful people sacrificing their own liberty and careers to bring attention to their cause - and it really works! There have been huge benefits, so many companies are aware of them, and taking steps to avoid being in the firing line by upping their investments in environmental mitigations.

And the huge amount of attention that insulation got- it is now high up on so many agendas! Why did it take protesters gluing themselves to the road to do it? It should have happened anyway, but it didn't. People had to make that sacrifice, but themselves in danger, lose jobs, careers, liberty, etc, to get results.

People moan about having their days disrupted, etc by JSO, without caring how much their days are going to be disrupted by the climate crisis running out of control.

I have cancer. I couldn't get to a chemo appointment once because of JSO. I 100% support their actions. I think their cause is so much bigger than one person. They are acting to protect millions.

No doubt people will come here and bitch and moan and I don't care really, at least anyone from JSO who is on MN will see my thread title.

You are a goady idiot

What a weird take. Everyone knows heavy sentences are a deterrent.

Are they though? Jso were straight out trying to disrupt airports yesterday. They don’t seem any more concerned about being arrested than before. Fanatics don’t behave in the way the general population does- they think of themselves as martyrs, and this will have strengthened that belief for them.

Must admit, I did find it comical to see people stepping over the JSO protestors at Gatwick yesterday. I wonder if any turned back as a result of the protestors. Probably not.

Heavy sentences can be a deterrent - but whether that deterrent is effective is different. To be a little facetious - if years in prison were an effective deterrent then you wouldn't have people locked up serving life sentences.

For actions where people feel driven by their conscience or beliefs - such as protesters - they may feel that the risk of a prison sentence is one they are willing to take.

Whether we like it or not their aims have already been achieved.
Drilling licences in the North sea have been ceased and a windfall tax has been put on them effectively ending the industry. The Government have estimated that we will spend 58 billion between now and 2030 on wind farm developements, and still hope to acheive the end of the sale of deisil cars by 2030.
It's hard to see what more can be done without complete de-industrialisation, is that what they want?
I don't understand the nihilism of destroying art works and sporting events when their aims are the policy of the Government and many Western countries.

So basically, causing a few deaths during the protests is acceptable. This post just highlights exactly what is wrong with these people- they see other humans as disposable to their cause. It's the thinking behind terrorist atrocities, and it's quite chilling.

A potential counter argument to this, is that people in western countries are happy for people in poorer countries to carry the human cost of climate change, because they aren't the ones directly affected.

I don't agree with JSO's tactics at all, and I abhor the impact of the delays on people's access to hospital appointments etc. However there is no "neutral" position on the impact of climate change - somebody somewhere is having to bear the human cost of it.

TBF they haven't actually destroyed any art. From what I understand, the artwork they threw stuff on were canvases protected by glass. I could be wrong, but I didn't think they had irrevocably damaged any art.

I don't get why they are punishing ordinary people and stopping them getting to appointments or funerals or simply trying to live their life. Why not target twats with private planes? Pretty sure Taylor Swift and her entourage are doing more damage to the planet than me in my 1L fiesta trying to get to work in the NHS.

They just come across as a bunch of cunts

Yes they are, they didn’t block anyone and the silly leader put out a statement saying they didn’t want to stop anyone going on holiday. Folks were just stepping over them.

because they don’t have the gravitas, organisational skills, or facts behind them to get a seat at the table to negotiate with those who can change things. So pissing you off in their fiesta is the way they go.

Nevertheless they haven’t stopped- they aren’t afraid of being arrested.

I absolutely hate them, so really do.
They are attention seeks, some gave other medical issues they need proper help for and something are just lost soul who need to attach themselves to a cause. They disgust me.
Now some have had severe sentences I hope the police move swiftly and get them out the way.

Sort out pollution, which is the real problem. That, of course, will cost global big business a lot of money so they would rather we kept our eyes on JSO and climate change...nothing to do with filthy seas at all...

I think you’re struggling to make your point. Jso haven’t stepped up and become worse due to th4 sentences, they are just being as twatty as ever. If they had increased and become more aggressive your point would stand, but they haven’t.

its the same 0ld shit watered down. Bothering folks going about their lives, making a show of themselves, thinking they are fighting for a cause, the modern day hippies, a poor imitation of green peace, etc, with less structure and ability to really stand up and argue their cause. They just chuck stuff around, block peoples ways, make a nuisance of themselves. No real action, no real intelligence, just how do we get in the media.

It’s been a few days- time will tell whether the sentences will have any effect.

Are you just plain stupid?

Southport has little relevance to JSO but in this case, even though imo its in bad taste to compare them, i will try to answer your question.

The Southport incident involves maybe 20 people. Plus their immediate families and then other generation of the same families. So it involves maybe 500 people.

JSO message/cause involves BILLIONS of people. Its really not even worth discussing with you

But her point is clear. JSO gave not thought to the possibility of a major incident happening whilst they gridlocked the SE. There might have been such an incident - a major fire, a road traffic accident, a terrorist attack - and had there been any such getting to it and saving lives would have been totally compromised by JSO's thoughtless protest.

I don’t condone violent protest. JSO conducts violent protest.

It is violent because they cause physical harm to members of the public. Stopping people getting to medical appointments. Obstructing the passage of emergency services. People delayed taking their medications. Stopping people attending job interviews. Loss of earnings in a cost of living crisis.

To say you have cancer and don’t mind JSO is an offensive generalisation- you do not speak for everyone with cancer. I’d be willing to bet your cancer isn’t stage 4 and incurable- where every appointment matters. Each patient and individual
case if very different.

JSO are disgustingly self-indulgent idiots.

All the rights us peasants have today are because of people like this. Disabled people wheeling themselves in front of buses. Women fighting for voting rights. People striking for better pay and conditions. Lots of people moan about everything but don't have the balls to change anything. "Oh no, don't slightly inconvenience me while you make the world a better place".

JSO have nothing in common with suffragettes or junior doctors lol. What a weird comparison.

JSO are just thick.

Nothing in common? Are you sure? I can think of a couple fo things straight away. I'm only replying because you were desperate for me to do so. Bringing this up on an irrelevant thread 😄 What did those nasty protestors DO to you?

I called you out on the other thread because I recognised your name from this one.

Do you not see how JSO actions have caused physical harm to the public?

Stopping someone from attending a medical appointment causes physical harm by delaying treatment/diagnosis/follow up. It is not peaceful protest.

Blocking the passage of emergency workers. What if you suddenly collapsed due to a pulmonary embolism and an ambulance couldn’t reach you and you died. A PE can happen to someone of your age. You are not immune from sudden ill health. Why on earth is it right to block traffic when you don’t know what emergencies might be happening.

People missed job interviews and lost earnings. Is that trivial with the current cost of living crisis?

This is real real harm being done by these rabid idiots. It is in no way peaceful. I might even look into suing them to be honest.