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AIBU?

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another MIL one

114 replies

itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 08:15

ive not changed the name, as i'm expecting as much of a beating on this post as i got on my last one.

on the last post i missed an important fact on purpose because it bore no relevance to the topic.

my DH and i have 6 children between us, he has 4 and i have 2, so for those doing the math, the DS referred too in my last post is actually DSS. i mention it now as it will answer questions i know i will get. Just to clarify, we don't use the term step children. my children are his children, his children are mine, they are all treated equally. when 1 gets married they receive a cash gift, this gift is the same amount irrespective, when babies came, the same, sex reveal parties, the same, baby showers.. i'm sure you get the idea! All the children know that should they decide on any of the above, that cash gift is there for them. when birthdays come round, they all get a small cash gift, both them and their partners. this gift is not a lot, a token, enough for a meal out as they are adults and its more the gesture than anything else.

I go to church, church has a big impact on my life and has done for many years. my DD's were baptised by their grandfather, and their dads side of the family all hold religious office of one kind or another. my DD's both went to church until they chose not too. it was and is never forced on them and i respect their choices. DH and his children never set foot in a churh in their lives, and were all adults when i came into their lives. They know i have faith and respect that but its not for them which is totally fine.

My DD wants to have baby baptised, even though they themselves no longer attend church, they know how important this is to me and their dads side of the family so therefore its all booked. On this occasion, as the church is only important to me and not to my DH who absolutely does not do the whole church thing I am giving the cash gift on this occasion. The same rule applies, should any of the DC decide to have their babies baptised, then they will receive this gift. I need to make this clear, as i know some will come for me about this, there is zero pressure for the GC to be baptised, its a choice the parents need to make for their children themselves.

Of course you knew there would be a but. DS and DIL are unhappy, they have no plans to baptise their son, but why should they not receive a cash gift just becuase they are not having their baby baptised, and that we should therefore give them a cash gift for their babies 1st birthday party instead! We have pointed out that 3 of our other children have chosen not to marry (yet if at all) and they can't claim their wedding gift based on this, so no, on this occasion!

We do not believe that 1st birthday parties are something we should be paying for, for any of our GC, thats the parents responsibility. We will of course be giving a gift to the baby, what grandparent wouldn't. But if we give cash on this occasion, then in fairness we have to give to all.

AIBU?

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Wowjustwow99 · 25/07/2024 08:20

I think the child demanding money is entitled, your money, your decision!

I would.never expect any money off my parents for my child but if anything is received it's lovely.

Note our family is the same everyone gets the same amount for birthdays, Christmas etc and isn't a lot but it's lovely to receive.

Moonshine5 · 25/07/2024 08:23

OP I hope your DH is defending you

IamnotSethRogan · 25/07/2024 08:38

Demanding the money is incredibly entitled. It's also similar to not having children but demanding the same money as those who have had children.

Spirallingdownwards · 25/07/2024 08:41

No a child who is not getting baptised does not get baptism gifts even from generous grandparents.

Harvestfestivalknickers · 25/07/2024 08:41

Easy. It's a baptism gift. Their child isn't baptised, so no gift.

itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 08:43

Moonshine5 · 25/07/2024 08:23

OP I hope your DH is defending you

actually and surprisingly he is! he has even offered to make if a joint gift rather than all on me... its not a massive amount, baptisms for our family are not fancy party affairs.

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takealettermsjones · 25/07/2024 08:49

I do think it's a bit odd that you've set out 'rules' for your gifts that the children all seem to know. But regardless, it's your money, to do with what you like. I'd stop calling it a "cash gift" personally, and stop talking to the children about the fairness of it etc - if anyone asks, you say yes, you gave the baby a Baptism gift, and then change the subject. It's none of anyone else's business what the gift is or its value etc.

Expatfamily · 25/07/2024 08:51

By cash gift do you mean you’re paying towards the baptism party/costs?

How can the others argue that they deserve a contribution towards the baptism when they’re not doing it?

And you already get the children a gift for their first birthdays? So they’re not left out.

You’re right. It’s not fair that some ‘kids’ have had money for weddings, and some haven’t. This year the one that has moaned that their baby didn’t have the same baptism gift, could be given the money that their parents receive at Xmas. Or, that parent not receiving a Xmas gift as it’s not fair that their family get kids gift/partner gift and their cash gift on the single members of the family.

takealettermsjones · 25/07/2024 08:52

Also, to add - re. their "suggestion" about the first birthday. I'd look shocked and say yes, you will of course be buying the baby a birthday present, but they don't get to stipulate what/how much that gift needs to be, and they're being rude in trying to.

3peassuit · 25/07/2024 08:56

If there’s no baptism then there’s no baptism gift.

Maddy70 · 25/07/2024 08:59

No. Its a christenimg gift. They dont get one if they dong get christened. Same as rhey dont get a wedding gift if they dont get married of s birthday gift if its not their birthday

Borninabarn32 · 25/07/2024 09:00

YANBU at all. Pretty standard to give a gift at a christening, if you don't have a christening you don't get a gift. Exactly the same as a wedding imo. Or a house purchase even. You get gifts to celebrate those things, if you don't do those things you don't get the gift. They're being grabby af.

zzar45 · 25/07/2024 09:02

I think it’s weird to make the statement that one type of party for a baby is parental responsibility, and the other party is fine for grandparents to pay for.

Ultimately it’s your money and your decisions.

Holding things over kids, like a baptism with non religious parents is icky to me.

itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 09:03

takealettermsjones · 25/07/2024 08:49

I do think it's a bit odd that you've set out 'rules' for your gifts that the children all seem to know. But regardless, it's your money, to do with what you like. I'd stop calling it a "cash gift" personally, and stop talking to the children about the fairness of it etc - if anyone asks, you say yes, you gave the baby a Baptism gift, and then change the subject. It's none of anyone else's business what the gift is or its value etc.

its more an 'agreement' than rules. we had a little windfall a few years ago and set aside a sum of money for such events which my DH in his wisdom cos he can't hold his own water told the kids this, so they know its there!

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itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 09:05

zzar45 · 25/07/2024 09:02

I think it’s weird to make the statement that one type of party for a baby is parental responsibility, and the other party is fine for grandparents to pay for.

Ultimately it’s your money and your decisions.

Holding things over kids, like a baptism with non religious parents is icky to me.

please explain further... i think i was very very clear in my opening post. there is no obligation for any of the children to have their babies baptised, it's their choice. there is no pressure full stop.

theres no holding anything over anyone.

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IneedAbiggerWindchime · 25/07/2024 09:09

Usually baptism gifts might be a piece of jewellery or a book or keepsake. Huge cash gifts would be strange to me but it's your money to decide what to do with. It would probably feel a bit like you're providing an incentive to baptise a child.

Mostlycarbon · 25/07/2024 09:10

Which denomination are you? Church of England Christenings are free so you're not paying for the Christening, just giving them a cash gift?

I think it's a bit mean to be honest, and I say that as a practising Christian.

FictionalCharacter · 25/07/2024 09:10

DS and DIL are being ridiculous and greedy. Of course their child doesn’t get a baptism gift if they don’t get baptised.
It’s as if they think you have a duty to give them money just because you have it. They should understand that nobody is obliged to give gifts at all. If they get given money for anything, they should be grateful.

itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 09:12

IneedAbiggerWindchime · 25/07/2024 09:09

Usually baptism gifts might be a piece of jewellery or a book or keepsake. Huge cash gifts would be strange to me but it's your money to decide what to do with. It would probably feel a bit like you're providing an incentive to baptise a child.

i see your point... its not a hugh gift, its help towards food, nothing more. they will of course also receive an actual gift from Pops and Nana. i should not have used the term gift.. perhaps i should have said help?

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itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 09:13

Mostlycarbon · 25/07/2024 09:10

Which denomination are you? Church of England Christenings are free so you're not paying for the Christening, just giving them a cash gift?

I think it's a bit mean to be honest, and I say that as a practising Christian.

as ive just said, its to help towards food/buffet, its not THE gift, and as i said i should maybe not have used the term gift, just didn't know how else to describe it.

Yes CofE and yes the Abbey and service are free, its just a little help towards refreshments after.

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Spirallingdownwards · 25/07/2024 09:13

IneedAbiggerWindchime · 25/07/2024 09:09

Usually baptism gifts might be a piece of jewellery or a book or keepsake. Huge cash gifts would be strange to me but it's your money to decide what to do with. It would probably feel a bit like you're providing an incentive to baptise a child.

Usually for you.

For others it's premium bonds.

For others it's investment in an ISA.

Of course it's not an incentive. If you choose to baptise your child you are doing so for religious reasons. If you as the parent do it because there is a cash gift for the baby that's on you not the donor of the gift!

IneedAbiggerWindchime · 25/07/2024 09:17

Spirallingdownwards · 25/07/2024 09:13

Usually for you.

For others it's premium bonds.

For others it's investment in an ISA.

Of course it's not an incentive. If you choose to baptise your child you are doing so for religious reasons. If you as the parent do it because there is a cash gift for the baby that's on you not the donor of the gift!

I've known lots of babies to get baptised and no-one has ever provided bonds or investments. If that's a family or cultural tradition, then so be it, do what you know.

Depending on the size of the gift, it could be seen as an incentive or bribe. Not if, like OP, you're donating a bit to the refreshments afterwards. I'd be more likely to feel a push to do it if my child was rewarded with things like bonds and investments so they don't miss out.

Spirallingdownwards · 25/07/2024 09:20

IneedAbiggerWindchime · 25/07/2024 09:17

I've known lots of babies to get baptised and no-one has ever provided bonds or investments. If that's a family or cultural tradition, then so be it, do what you know.

Depending on the size of the gift, it could be seen as an incentive or bribe. Not if, like OP, you're donating a bit to the refreshments afterwards. I'd be more likely to feel a push to do it if my child was rewarded with things like bonds and investments so they don't miss out.

But that is exactly my point isn't it?

Different families do different things. Neither is incorrect.

IneedAbiggerWindchime · 25/07/2024 09:21

Spirallingdownwards · 25/07/2024 09:20

But that is exactly my point isn't it?

Different families do different things. Neither is incorrect.

Did I say it was incorrect? No, I didn't. I just stated what the usual practice was. It doesn't mean there aren't variations.

itainthalfhot · 25/07/2024 09:24

Spirallingdownwards · 25/07/2024 09:13

Usually for you.

For others it's premium bonds.

For others it's investment in an ISA.

Of course it's not an incentive. If you choose to baptise your child you are doing so for religious reasons. If you as the parent do it because there is a cash gift for the baby that's on you not the donor of the gift!

you have just given us an idea however for baby's birthday present moving forwards and are looking into setting up some kind of savings account to pop a few £££'s in each birthday and easter and christmas for them until they are say 18! they will of course get an actual gift!

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