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Greater Manchester Police brutality

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Gummybear23 · 24/07/2024 22:22

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/24/armed-police-officer-filmed-kicking-man-in-face-at-manchester-airport

Sickening behaviour. Surely tasering the man is enough.
He is on the floor tasered so you give him some kickings to the head?

Hope this is properly investigated.
Greater Manchester Police have an awful reputation.

Manchester airport: officer removed from frontline duty after arrest video goes viral

Armed police officer seen kicking suspect in footage Greater Manchester police called ‘truly shocking’

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/24/armed-police-officer-filmed-kicking-man-in-face-at-manchester-airport

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OneTC · 25/07/2024 15:27

If you stamp on a prone person's head you don't know right from wrong, regardless of the situation.

KintheCottage · 25/07/2024 15:28

I think this is absolutely appalling, regardless of the events that led up to it.

hattie43 · 25/07/2024 15:30

@cakeorwine

Well if he beats up everyone he's not singling out Muslims is he .

That's as daft as saying the Muslim attacked a woman police officer because he has no respect for women .... oh hold on

cakeorwine · 25/07/2024 15:33

hattie43 · 25/07/2024 15:30

@cakeorwine

Well if he beats up everyone he's not singling out Muslims is he .

That's as daft as saying the Muslim attacked a woman police officer because he has no respect for women .... oh hold on

You do understand that racist people don't just target Muslims and ignore other people.

Just like men who commit domestic violence don't just attack women.

Shockvote · 25/07/2024 15:33

cakeorwine · 25/07/2024 15:23

That's an interesting twist on words.

So if a policeman beats up someone because he is Muslim, that does not mean he is racist because the police also beat other people up?

To be fair, the “bastard” defence is a pretty common one that is often true - i.e. I don’t discriminate, I treat everyone like shit.

Mayorq · 25/07/2024 15:36

AWholeNewName · 25/07/2024 15:17

Are you thick? If someone broke your nose then lay on the floor would you consider him no threat to anyone? You either want police to manage violent criminals by speaking their own language or nothing, scum like that don't respond to anything else.

Just to be clear, videos are not to be accepted as they might be edited or misleading, unverified claims of parties involved to be taken as gospel

Dweetfidilove · 25/07/2024 15:39

Scammersarescum · 25/07/2024 08:45

Without seeing the level of violence and disorder prior to this clip there is no way of judging.

That said one of the perpetrators has smacked a female officer is the face so hard she sustained a broken nose.

In the clip the perpetrators were very clearly resisting. It's an airport, a sensitive area that needs to be tightly controlled. How were the police to know whether this was a distraction from a terrorist incident. They don't. They needed to being the situation under control ASAP.

Now the middle class world of mumsnet may not like it, but these police will deal with scum, day in day out throughout their careers. Thieves, rapists, child abusers, murders, wife beaters. And they will know, sometimes the only way to bring a situation under control quickly is to kick someone in the head to keep them down on the floor.

If that offends you, don't join the police. But don't try and stir up hatred of the police using a tiny clip of what was clearly a much longer incident.

So we're now expecting our highly trained police officers to behave like the 'scummy thugs' they are meant to protect us from?

Why don't we also arm them all, and with permission to go around shooting citizens in the face and all sorts too?

I truly hope you're not one of the wretches the force is seemingly trying to root out.

Lacdulancelot · 25/07/2024 15:41

I’m usually very suspicious of the police.
I remember the miners strike.

However I hope the policeman who kicked the man is sanctioned/ retrained whatever but doesn’t lose his job.

I hope the men who assaulted the police get the book thrown at them.
I see they’re already talking to The Sun.

Nobody should ever fuck about in airports.

WowReallysh · 25/07/2024 15:43

If a police officer actually beat up a genuine thug/criminal I don't care. Genuinely. If he beat up someone who was having an MH breakdown or who was totally innocent then I'd worry.

whatnow123 · 25/07/2024 15:45

The problem is we need to see how it all started. When did the female officer get assaulted, were people fighting with the firearms officer.

I do think the scrutiny of Police in this country is positive and actually ensures we have the best Police in the world. As in 99.9% of the world, you fight with firearms cops in an airport you end up dead.

Combattingthemoaners · 25/07/2024 15:51

There is no excuse for his actions, absolutely none. If you watch the full video there is another man sitting on a bench who was asked to get on the floor. He complies and kneels down on the floor with his hands behind his head. At this point a police officer stamps on his legs/genitals. I am shocked that people are defending their actions.

eggplant16 · 25/07/2024 15:52

whatnow123 · 25/07/2024 15:45

The problem is we need to see how it all started. When did the female officer get assaulted, were people fighting with the firearms officer.

I do think the scrutiny of Police in this country is positive and actually ensures we have the best Police in the world. As in 99.9% of the world, you fight with firearms cops in an airport you end up dead.

Edited

What precipated all this I wonder? It must be more than somebody shoving a luggage trolly.

Actually seeing first hand how quickly things ramped up ( on another occasion)in Manchester maybe not?

xiaotuziguigui · 25/07/2024 15:53

What started the whole episode off?

Amberjane41 · 25/07/2024 15:57

Just thinking if that scenario happened in another country. He was assaulting officers in an airport and apparently also tried to grab an officers firearm. If that had happened in the USA he would have been shot!

PollyPeachum · 25/07/2024 16:02

Don't attack coppers, then you won't be in trouble!

LadyKenya · 25/07/2024 16:02

Combattingthemoaners · 25/07/2024 15:51

There is no excuse for his actions, absolutely none. If you watch the full video there is another man sitting on a bench who was asked to get on the floor. He complies and kneels down on the floor with his hands behind his head. At this point a police officer stamps on his legs/genitals. I am shocked that people are defending their actions.

I agree with all of your post. The man sitting there was violently attacked by the officer. No doubt people will argue that he was a threat. Even if he was perceived as a potential threat, the way he was assaulted was completely unacceptable.

poshsnobtwit · 25/07/2024 16:03

Moonmelodies · 25/07/2024 14:08

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Looks like our friend made the mistake of thinking the police were all about skipping around with rainbow flags - turns out some of them won't stand for any nonsense.

What a bizarre response. This armed police officer is supposedly highly trained to deal with life or death situations, where reacting appropriately within a split second is expected. We don't even know the full story of the broken nosed officer, however, regardless, what the police officer did was wholly unacceptable. Police are not responsible for meting out "stupid prizes", that is for the court of law to decide.

poshsnobtwit · 25/07/2024 16:06

PollyPeachum · 25/07/2024 16:02

Don't attack coppers, then you won't be in trouble!

Jean Charles de Menezes was murdered by a police officer. A completely innocent man who happened to be mistaken for a Muslim assumed to be something else, without any evidence.

OneTC · 25/07/2024 16:07

Good luck to anyone ever trying to portray stamping on someone's head as an appropriate use of force.

poshsnobtwit · 25/07/2024 16:10

And @PollyPeachum I can only assume you are white by your last post. It is a fact that levels of police brutality is higher within the black and brown population. It's extremely naive and incorrect to think coppers only "mess around" with actual criminals. Look up the Casey Report.

Mayorq · 25/07/2024 16:13

Amberjane41 · 25/07/2024 15:57

Just thinking if that scenario happened in another country. He was assaulting officers in an airport and apparently also tried to grab an officers firearm. If that had happened in the USA he would have been shot!

Yeah the grabbing for the gun excuse came out very quick from the police, unfortunately for them the point at which he decides to kick a the man in the face and then stamp on his head is on video and and as he's face down on the ground even if this had previously happened it wouldn't justify his actions.

If someone gets shot trying to grab an officers gun, absolutely fair enough.

If they manage to subdue that person without shooting him, they don't then get a free hit so it's largely irrelevant to the actions that have been caught on camera such as making people for filming and then illegally searching people to try and seize their phones

Naunet · 25/07/2024 16:15

JacquesHarlow · 24/07/2024 22:50

hmm @Gummybear23 it’s fine to watch a 12 second clip and make judgements, but did you also read this:

”During our response, three officers were assaulted. One female officer suffered a broken nose and the other officers were forced to the ground and suffered injuries which required hospital treatment.”

Do you know what it takes to subdue an unruly suspect who has attacked multiple officers and hospitalised one?

Perhaps some of the keyboard protesters who weirdly open a thread to get everyone piling in (excuse the allusion) could ask themselves what preceded this footage, and what does it take to subdue someone who has been that violent and belligerent in the lead up?

Well yes that’s awful, but at the same time HES AT WORK. He’s meant to be a professional, and whilst I honestly don’t blame him for how he reacted, it’s not acceptable in his job.

eggplant16 · 25/07/2024 16:24

OneTC · 25/07/2024 16:07

Good luck to anyone ever trying to portray stamping on someone's head as an appropriate use of force.

Thay are managing it quite nicely on another site closely connected with this one.

fliptopbin · 25/07/2024 16:30

WowReallysh · 25/07/2024 14:59

If someone had seriously assaulted your family member, would you not want to hit them a bit? Not just subdue but "give them a taste of their own medicine".

My only issue would be if the person being restrained hadn't been violent or if he had MH issue so that he wasn't legally responsible or in control for his violent actions.

Surely we should hold the police to higher standards -their job is to keep the peace, not dispense vigilante justice on the spot And what about the older lady who is also roughly pushed? Wrong time wrong place...In the airport?