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Greater Manchester Police brutality

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Gummybear23 · 24/07/2024 22:22

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/24/armed-police-officer-filmed-kicking-man-in-face-at-manchester-airport

Sickening behaviour. Surely tasering the man is enough.
He is on the floor tasered so you give him some kickings to the head?

Hope this is properly investigated.
Greater Manchester Police have an awful reputation.

Manchester airport: officer removed from frontline duty after arrest video goes viral

Armed police officer seen kicking suspect in footage Greater Manchester police called ‘truly shocking’

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/24/armed-police-officer-filmed-kicking-man-in-face-at-manchester-airport

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Luminousalumnus · 25/07/2024 10:49

This assault is disgusting. Likewise the police officer perpetrator and the police officer bystanders. Thank God it was videoed. It would certainly have been covered up otherwise.

AnnieSnap · 25/07/2024 11:48

eggplant16 · 25/07/2024 08:41

I can't watch it, I presume the person on the floor isn't white?

You’re right. Asian. A lot of Officers are thugs irrespective of ethnicity 🤬

TheThingIsYeah · 25/07/2024 13:50

Quite a few armchair experts on here. An excellent interview with a former armed response officer on Talk radio just now.

I hope the female officer who was punched in the face and had her nose broken is recovering well.

cakeorwine · 25/07/2024 13:57

TheThingIsYeah · 25/07/2024 13:50

Quite a few armchair experts on here. An excellent interview with a former armed response officer on Talk radio just now.

I hope the female officer who was punched in the face and had her nose broken is recovering well.

Bloody armchair experts thinking it's wrong for a police officer to kick someone in the head when they are lying on the ground.

IClaudine · 25/07/2024 14:01

TheThingIsYeah · 25/07/2024 13:50

Quite a few armchair experts on here. An excellent interview with a former armed response officer on Talk radio just now.

I hope the female officer who was punched in the face and had her nose broken is recovering well.

Views from a former Chief Superintendent. Is he an armchair expert too?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/25/manchester-airport-police-kick-incident-former-senior-met-officer

Racism played part in police kick incident at Manchester airport, says former senior officer

Former Met chief superintendent Dal Babu says footage of man being kicked in face by officer is ‘totally appalling’

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/25/manchester-airport-police-kick-incident-former-senior-met-officer

OneTC · 25/07/2024 14:05

JacquesHarlow · 24/07/2024 23:01

I don’t disagree that the highest standards should be expected

I just struggle with the whole “from the video I can see”.. way of being .. it’s a clip

What preface makes that 12 seconds okay?

Moonmelodies · 25/07/2024 14:08

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Looks like our friend made the mistake of thinking the police were all about skipping around with rainbow flags - turns out some of them won't stand for any nonsense.

MrTiddlesTheCat · 25/07/2024 14:08

What's the justification for the assault on the second man who was sitting with his hands on his head. They told him to get down on the floor, which he started doing while keeping his hands on his head. He was then kicked by a different officer and punched repeatedly by a third.

And a few moments later the older woman is walking away and a female officer shoves her hard in the back.

All those officers were out of control.

MrTiddlesTheCat · 25/07/2024 14:11

Temphelp · 24/07/2024 22:53

There is another video showing when the violence - yes, violence - began and the police 100% started. They sprayed a man in the face whilst he was recording them and the men all had their hands up, no one was raising a finger at the police. The elderly woman was also hit in the face by police.

It is sickening.

Do you have a link to this other video?

SloaneStreetVandal · 25/07/2024 14:34

Policing in the UK is awful. So is crime.

If the guy on the floor has punched and broken a woman's nose, then I'm not going to spare him any pity over the returned favour.

AllesAusLiebe · 25/07/2024 14:43

It really isn't helpful to point to racism with these types of things. I've seen similar at football games which had an overwhelmingly white, male crowd.

In my life, I've transited through many airports and never once been involved in a confrontation with the police. I therefore don't believe a few second clip, edited for the purposes of being posted online is a reliable source for the full story of what's happened here.

cakeorwine · 25/07/2024 14:47

AllesAusLiebe · 25/07/2024 14:43

It really isn't helpful to point to racism with these types of things. I've seen similar at football games which had an overwhelmingly white, male crowd.

In my life, I've transited through many airports and never once been involved in a confrontation with the police. I therefore don't believe a few second clip, edited for the purposes of being posted online is a reliable source for the full story of what's happened here.

You've seen police kick peoples heads in on the ground at football game?

ACynicalDad · 25/07/2024 14:52

I will have a firm opinion either way once a fuller video is available. On its own, it looks awful. Adding in the broken nose and hospitalisation brings it back a bit, who knows what more is to come? If a policeman wanted to search me and had cause, I wouldn't resist.

OneTC · 25/07/2024 14:55

ACynicalDad · 25/07/2024 14:52

I will have a firm opinion either way once a fuller video is available. On its own, it looks awful. Adding in the broken nose and hospitalisation brings it back a bit, who knows what more is to come? If a policeman wanted to search me and had cause, I wouldn't resist.

Just go on twitter, there's more videos. There's a good few seconds preface to the guardian video. The bloke is subdued on the floor actively being tasered and the copper kicks, then stamps, on his head.

There was a fight prior to that video that seemed very much over, and this much and stamp seem entirely spiteful

WowReallysh · 25/07/2024 14:59

cakeorwine · 25/07/2024 13:57

Bloody armchair experts thinking it's wrong for a police officer to kick someone in the head when they are lying on the ground.

If someone had seriously assaulted your family member, would you not want to hit them a bit? Not just subdue but "give them a taste of their own medicine".

My only issue would be if the person being restrained hadn't been violent or if he had MH issue so that he wasn't legally responsible or in control for his violent actions.

cakeorwine · 25/07/2024 15:06

WowReallysh · 25/07/2024 14:59

If someone had seriously assaulted your family member, would you not want to hit them a bit? Not just subdue but "give them a taste of their own medicine".

My only issue would be if the person being restrained hadn't been violent or if he had MH issue so that he wasn't legally responsible or in control for his violent actions.

We left that style of policing a long time ago

OneTC · 25/07/2024 15:06

WowReallysh · 25/07/2024 14:59

If someone had seriously assaulted your family member, would you not want to hit them a bit? Not just subdue but "give them a taste of their own medicine".

My only issue would be if the person being restrained hadn't been violent or if he had MH issue so that he wasn't legally responsible or in control for his violent actions.

I might, but I'm not a copper

hattie43 · 25/07/2024 15:06

It's very interesting that all of the rhetoric is around the police acting tough and none saved for the criminal who broke a policewoman's nose and put others in hospital . If they weren't brawling this event would not have happened.

OneTC · 25/07/2024 15:08

I will be happy to see the bloke who hit the copper done for assault.

I'm not happy with dishing out revenge beating by people that uphold the law because it's, you know, illegal. Like breaking someone's nose is

AllesAusLiebe · 25/07/2024 15:11

cakeorwine · 25/07/2024 14:47

You've seen police kick peoples heads in on the ground at football game?

I deliberately chose the term 'similar'. How is that difficult to understand? I've seen the police behaving in a similar manner, appearing to punish through excessive force whilst I was attending football games. You are, of course, entitled to maintain the belief that the police only use force against people with an ethnic minority background, if you want.

AWholeNewName · 25/07/2024 15:13

JacquesHarlow · 24/07/2024 22:50

hmm @Gummybear23 it’s fine to watch a 12 second clip and make judgements, but did you also read this:

”During our response, three officers were assaulted. One female officer suffered a broken nose and the other officers were forced to the ground and suffered injuries which required hospital treatment.”

Do you know what it takes to subdue an unruly suspect who has attacked multiple officers and hospitalised one?

Perhaps some of the keyboard protesters who weirdly open a thread to get everyone piling in (excuse the allusion) could ask themselves what preceded this footage, and what does it take to subdue someone who has been that violent and belligerent in the lead up?

I agree, the wanker on the floor is big enough and strong enough to break a woman's nose he will be fine. Good on the police.

xiaotuziguigui · 25/07/2024 15:15

Scammersarescum · 25/07/2024 08:45

Without seeing the level of violence and disorder prior to this clip there is no way of judging.

That said one of the perpetrators has smacked a female officer is the face so hard she sustained a broken nose.

In the clip the perpetrators were very clearly resisting. It's an airport, a sensitive area that needs to be tightly controlled. How were the police to know whether this was a distraction from a terrorist incident. They don't. They needed to being the situation under control ASAP.

Now the middle class world of mumsnet may not like it, but these police will deal with scum, day in day out throughout their careers. Thieves, rapists, child abusers, murders, wife beaters. And they will know, sometimes the only way to bring a situation under control quickly is to kick someone in the head to keep them down on the floor.

If that offends you, don't join the police. But don't try and stir up hatred of the police using a tiny clip of what was clearly a much longer incident.

almost 100% irrelevant.

The guy was incapacitated and no threat to anyone, the officer stuck his boot in just to cause hurt. He’s a disgrace

AWholeNewName · 25/07/2024 15:17

xiaotuziguigui · 25/07/2024 15:15

almost 100% irrelevant.

The guy was incapacitated and no threat to anyone, the officer stuck his boot in just to cause hurt. He’s a disgrace

Are you thick? If someone broke your nose then lay on the floor would you consider him no threat to anyone? You either want police to manage violent criminals by speaking their own language or nothing, scum like that don't respond to anything else.

Shockvote · 25/07/2024 15:17

It doesn’t look good from the video, to put it mildly, but there’s an independent investigation process, so let that take it’s course.

cakeorwine · 25/07/2024 15:23

AllesAusLiebe · 25/07/2024 15:11

I deliberately chose the term 'similar'. How is that difficult to understand? I've seen the police behaving in a similar manner, appearing to punish through excessive force whilst I was attending football games. You are, of course, entitled to maintain the belief that the police only use force against people with an ethnic minority background, if you want.

That's an interesting twist on words.

So if a policeman beats up someone because he is Muslim, that does not mean he is racist because the police also beat other people up?