Greater Manchester Police brutality

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/24/armed-police-officer-filmed-kicking-man-in-face-at-manchester-airport

Sickening behaviour. Surely tasering the man is enough.
He is on the floor tasered so you give him some kickings to the head?

Hope this is properly investigated.
Greater Manchester Police have an awful reputation.

There would be lots without the police.

If the police weren't there, which crime would see a huge increase in numbers?

It is a job an hourable job, a profession. Therefore act as as such.

I believe the office briefly lost self-control.

I believe he should be disciplined.

Within the context of the situation and what had just been done to him I do not believe he should be sacked or prosecuted.

I’ll start with you, looking for legal loopholes.

I’m sure you’ll jump on the term ‘loophole but I challenge you to find a case study to support that this is an absolute degradation of society perpetuated by these individuals. I’m sure you won’t find one as this is such extreme / unprecedented brazen behaviour.

Following sufficient disciplinary action he needs to be moved to a role where his failure to control his temper will not result in the death of a member of the public, regardless of what criminal actions they have committed. We need to have police officers with good emotional control in roles such as airport policing.

The two thugs should be prosecuted for the beatings they dished out and the policeman should be prosecuted for what he did when one of the thugs was very clearly on the floor and subdued.

@Usercyzabc

n August last year PC Jagruti Chhaganlal was on duty in Beaumanor Road, Leicester, when she was approached by James Nutting, a man she had previous dealings with after reports of him racially abusing and making homophobic remarks towards neighbours.
Nutting, 44, of Beaumanor Road, Leicester, launched a violent attack on PC Chhaganlal, punching and then kicking her multiple times as she lay on the floor before walking off. He was subsequently arrested nearby.

Unprecedented?

I would leave the specifics of his punishment yo those who understand the stresses of the job.

@Usercyzabc what part of 'I hope they are convicted', 'they are violent criminals' or 'they are a disgrace' leads you to believe that I am excusing them?

It's not a case of someone being wrong and someone else being right. Both can be wrong.

Yes I accept that it was an overwhelmingly chaotic and dangerous situation. Yes I accept that the officer is only human and will make mistakes. Yes I understand that the officer was attacked and witnessed his colleagues being attacked. Yes I accept that sometimes reasonable and proportionate force will be extreme force.

All of this provides context that leads me to understanding how the officer came to make the decision to kick the perpetrator in the head.

None of this changes my view that the kick was not justified in the circumstance that it occurred.

Others (like you) don't agree, and that's fine. But it doesn't mean that I support violent criminals and you don't. It just means that we have different expectations of the police.

Your stance implies that officers should hesitate, even when facing immediate threats, and in this case involving firearms. This hesitation can cost lives, both theirs and the public'c, so your view is unrealistic and dangerous. Overly harsh criticism of necessary force undermines police morale and emboldens violent criminals. Officers need confidence, not constant second-guessing. Supporting law enforcement means understanding the harsh realities they face daily. Your expectations are detached from these realities and jeopardise effective policing.

In short, your approach encourages a weak response to violent crime, putting everyone at risk.

It's essential to balance accountability with the practical needs of law enforcement.

can you explain the parallels please

On the BBC website, the family of the man are expressing 'real concern for any injured officers'. I bet they bloody are. They've also hired a different lawyer. Tossers.

MyGladEagle
I've no idea why people on here have suddenly become experts on behaviour in violent situations when the most violent situation they've encountered is likely to be a spider biting them.

I was brought up in an extremely violent home. I know that kicking a prone person in the face then stepping on their head is wrong.

No one .... literally no one can comment on how they would act in this situation, unless you have encountered something similar. These were split second decisions by these officers to protect themselves and the public around them. There are all sorts going through your mind in these instances. Personally , I haven't heard any audio from the latest footage. But , apart from the assault to Police,these lot could have been saying anything... 'ie - I'm having your gun' etc.

That lawyer was absolutely despicable.

He very nearly succeeded in inciting a race riot on Friday.

In a sane world, conduct like that would ruin his professional career. It makes you wonder why he's happy to behave like that.

Those who have been through the same training, have encountered similar experiences and are subject to the same rules certainly can comment. The fact that their decision has been to suspend this officer speaks volumes.

Money I guess he says he’ll defend anyone and it was good publicity

@LiterallyOnFire

In a sane world, conduct like that would ruin his professional career. It makes you wonder why he's happy to behave like that.

Plays to his consumer base. He'll get more work off the back of this.

Actually, the decision to suspend the officer is pretty routine and should not be used to predict the outcome of any potential investigation,

A similar thought did cross my mind.

I'll bookmark this thread for when it's all been through court. I think the officer will be charged and found not guilty by a jury, he'll keep his job and the two other men will be given lengthy custodial sentences.

I really hope you are right @whatnow123 although I’d prefer it if the police officer isn’t even charged with any offence, given the circumstances.

🙏

That's exactly what I said in my post.
And the officer being suspended is standard procedure.

That would be the right result