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Greater Manchester Police brutality

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Gummybear23 · 24/07/2024 22:22

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/24/armed-police-officer-filmed-kicking-man-in-face-at-manchester-airport

Sickening behaviour. Surely tasering the man is enough.
He is on the floor tasered so you give him some kickings to the head?

Hope this is properly investigated.
Greater Manchester Police have an awful reputation.

Manchester airport: officer removed from frontline duty after arrest video goes viral

Armed police officer seen kicking suspect in footage Greater Manchester police called ‘truly shocking’

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/24/armed-police-officer-filmed-kicking-man-in-face-at-manchester-airport

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FlameGrilledSquirrel · 28/07/2024 12:22

Let the correct people deal with this following review of all of the evidence.

If the officer requires sanction then so be it but this also applies to the individuals who believed it acceptable to attack police officers.

We cannot have a situation where members of certain communities are held to different standards relating both to their own behaviours but also the behaviour aimed towards them.

Northernnature · 28/07/2024 12:27

Unfortunately we already have that situation @FlameGrilledSquirrel and policing differs/level of arrests etc to who the police/authorities are scared of. Expect this to only get worse.

MyGladEagle · 28/07/2024 12:33

In 2015 there were less than 15,000 assaults on police

Last year there were over 50,000.

It's clear who's winning in this battle for a lawless country.

OneTC · 28/07/2024 12:34

No community must get favourable treatment in a thread about a member of that favourably treated community being kicked in the head in an obviously favourable way.

AllesAusLiebe · 28/07/2024 12:39

AnnieSnap · 27/07/2024 20:16

Nobody has suggested for a moment that these were “nice lads”. What kind of individuals they are is irrelevant. The issue is that a ARMED Police Officer decided to kick a prone, non-threatening detained person in the head, then proceeded to stamp on his head. We are entitled to stable, professional Police. The service is full of ill disciplined thugs as evidenced by repeated cases of disgusting misogyny, racism, homophobia and criminal violence committed by Officers (including murder and rape) over many years.

'Non-threatening'? Is this a joke? Have you seen the extended footage?

These criminals are lucky not to have been wiped out there on the spot by the firearms officers. In most other countries around the world, you fuck around with armed police and it's game over.

UniversalAunt · 28/07/2024 12:40

‘He was lying face down on the floor. The officers had every opportunity to handcuff him. He was not posing any threat at that point.’

I doubt that any armed officer would put thier semi-automatic weapon down in a highly volatile environment to put some handcuffs on an aggressive protagonist who is resisting arrest.

Given that several fellow officers have been assaulted, including said officer, & bystanders are hostile. I understand that one of the protagonists had tried to get a weapon off an armed officer.

There were no opportunities for any of the officers to routinely handcuff the protagonist. Multiple efforts to contain the situation had been made.

Northernnature · 28/07/2024 12:46

MyGladEagle · 28/07/2024 12:33

In 2015 there were less than 15,000 assaults on police

Last year there were over 50,000.

It's clear who's winning in this battle for a lawless country.

I can't believe those statistics. Even 15000 is 40 a day. I am surprised that anyone wants to go into policing and would be appalled if any of my children wanted to join despite my Grandad being in the met in much more lawful times.

AzureAnt · 28/07/2024 12:49

GeraniumJenny · 28/07/2024 12:05

Why weren’t there protests about the lethal punch an adult gave his 11 year old sister which killed her?
Sane area of the country.

Because it wasn't a white person throwing th punch

PBandJ111 · 28/07/2024 12:51

The deaths in custody stats are misleading as about 65% are due to natural causes and the rest due to alcohol and drugs.

AnnieSnap · 28/07/2024 13:05

NotAlexa · 28/07/2024 10:11

Released on bail, so charges are standing. And as for source - today’s video is good enough source. Those thugs were out of order and I hope the police officer gets back to his duty, while those two are jailed on multiple criminal offences including the unprovoked attack on Police.

Having seen the latest video release, I agree. Except the Officer needs to learn to control his temper.

AnnieSnap · 28/07/2024 13:07

AzureAnt · 28/07/2024 12:49

Because it wasn't a white person throwing th punch

Oh FFS! 🙄 You Reform types really are nauseating

AnnieSnap · 28/07/2024 13:09

AllesAusLiebe · 28/07/2024 12:39

'Non-threatening'? Is this a joke? Have you seen the extended footage?

These criminals are lucky not to have been wiped out there on the spot by the firearms officers. In most other countries around the world, you fuck around with armed police and it's game over.

Lying face down is non-threatening

EasternStandard · 28/07/2024 13:12

AnnieSnap · 28/07/2024 13:09

Lying face down is non-threatening

The post you are replying to has it and I doubt they’d make it to this stage

These criminals are lucky not to have been wiped out there on the spot by the firearms officers. In most other countries around the world, you fuck around with armed police and it's game over.

MyGladEagle · 28/07/2024 13:13

AnnieSnap · 28/07/2024 13:09

Lying face down is non-threatening

He wasn't lying face down as a result of his own compliance he was tased.

Before that he was attempting to at best seriously injure the officer and at worst kill him.

You have no idea what the threat was at that point in time.

I've no idea why people on here have suddenly become experts on behaviour in violent situations when the most violent situation they've encountered is likely to be a spider biting them.

EasternStandard · 28/07/2024 13:15

MyGladEagle · 28/07/2024 13:13

He wasn't lying face down as a result of his own compliance he was tased.

Before that he was attempting to at best seriously injure the officer and at worst kill him.

You have no idea what the threat was at that point in time.

I've no idea why people on here have suddenly become experts on behaviour in violent situations when the most violent situation they've encountered is likely to be a spider biting them.

Agree. Pp on mn speaking with certainty for some reason

AnnieSnap · 28/07/2024 13:15

MyGladEagle · 28/07/2024 13:13

He wasn't lying face down as a result of his own compliance he was tased.

Before that he was attempting to at best seriously injure the officer and at worst kill him.

You have no idea what the threat was at that point in time.

I've no idea why people on here have suddenly become experts on behaviour in violent situations when the most violent situation they've encountered is likely to be a spider biting them.

My point is that was before he was lying face-down. It’s for the Courts to deal with what went before.

MyGladEagle · 28/07/2024 13:21

AnnieSnap · 28/07/2024 13:15

My point is that was before he was lying face-down. It’s for the Courts to deal with what went before.

No your point is that you think someone laying down on the floor isn't a threat this is incorrect.

A single compliant suspect who hasn't attacked anyone laying down on the floor because they have been told to do so surrounded by several officers is unlikely to be a threat.

A violent attacker laying on the floor who's seriously injured several police officers and wouldn't go down till they were tased is a massive threat to an officer until both they, and the other person that's attacked them is in handcuffs.

This is real life, not some tv drama.

Gummybear23 · 28/07/2024 13:21

Iasonnas · 28/07/2024 12:05

"I struggle with innocent people dying in police custody when force has been used."

Innocent 🤣 the absolute scumbags that kicked off in an airport and assaulted armed police are hardly innocent. Fucking hell.

Jean Charles menzi was innocent shot dead by armed police because was mistaken for a terrorist.

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Savemydrink · 28/07/2024 13:33

Gummybear23 · 28/07/2024 13:21

Jean Charles menzi was innocent shot dead by armed police because was mistaken for a terrorist.

that was 20 years ago.

you had to go an awful long way back to dig that one up didn't you

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 28/07/2024 13:36

@MyGladEagle he's actually moving more after the kick. The female officer cuffs him without having to kick him in the head or otherwise. So why was there a need when he was on the floor , but not once he starts moving more? The kick to the head didn't incapacitate him , did it?

mommatoone · 28/07/2024 13:38

MyGladEagle · 28/07/2024 13:21

No your point is that you think someone laying down on the floor isn't a threat this is incorrect.

A single compliant suspect who hasn't attacked anyone laying down on the floor because they have been told to do so surrounded by several officers is unlikely to be a threat.

A violent attacker laying on the floor who's seriously injured several police officers and wouldn't go down till they were tased is a massive threat to an officer until both they, and the other person that's attacked them is in handcuffs.

This is real life, not some tv drama.

Especially when that officer has a gun strapped to his leg ,which blue top guys could have easily reached in those split seconds.Then the shit would have really hit the fan.

MyGladEagle · 28/07/2024 13:42

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 28/07/2024 13:36

@MyGladEagle he's actually moving more after the kick. The female officer cuffs him without having to kick him in the head or otherwise. So why was there a need when he was on the floor , but not once he starts moving more? The kick to the head didn't incapacitate him , did it?

What do you mean why the need?

It's a fluent violent situation, not a lunchtime work meeting.

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 28/07/2024 13:43

MyGladEagle · 28/07/2024 12:33

In 2015 there were less than 15,000 assaults on police

Last year there were over 50,000.

It's clear who's winning in this battle for a lawless country.

30k of which were assaults without injury and the total number was 41k, rather than more than 50k.

Still a massive increase , but no need to exaggerate.

MyGladEagle · 28/07/2024 13:46

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 28/07/2024 13:43

30k of which were assaults without injury and the total number was 41k, rather than more than 50k.

Still a massive increase , but no need to exaggerate.

Last year, there were 50,259 assaults on UK police officers – 40,330 in England
and Wales, 6,657 in Scotland, and 3,272 in Northern Ireland.

No need to downplay it to just England.

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 28/07/2024 13:53

@MyGladEagle the 15k number in 2015 is also just for England and Wales. Hence using the same bench mark.

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