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Greater Manchester Police brutality

981 replies

Gummybear23 · 24/07/2024 22:22

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/24/armed-police-officer-filmed-kicking-man-in-face-at-manchester-airport

Sickening behaviour. Surely tasering the man is enough.
He is on the floor tasered so you give him some kickings to the head?

Hope this is properly investigated.
Greater Manchester Police have an awful reputation.

Manchester airport: officer removed from frontline duty after arrest video goes viral

Armed police officer seen kicking suspect in footage Greater Manchester police called ‘truly shocking’

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/24/armed-police-officer-filmed-kicking-man-in-face-at-manchester-airport

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GabriellaMontez · 27/07/2024 23:21

rosiers · 27/07/2024 23:07

@GabriellaMontez you think that the "community" of people protesting outside Rochdale police station are "full of ill disciplined thugs as evidenced by repeated cases of disgusting misogyny, racism, homophobia and criminal violence"? What would lead you to that conclusion?

Nice attempt to conflate my words with someone else's!

GabriellaMontez · 27/07/2024 23:23

rosiers · 27/07/2024 23:16

There's a lot to disagree on, but perhaps we could all agree on the suggestion that this could have been handled better? Three armed officers should be able to arrest two violent perpetrators without it escalating to these extremes.

I think the police deserve a medal.

No one was permanently injured. No shots were fired. It could've been so different.

Vivi0 · 27/07/2024 23:25

rosiers · 27/07/2024 23:16

There's a lot to disagree on, but perhaps we could all agree on the suggestion that this could have been handled better? Three armed officers should be able to arrest two violent perpetrators without it escalating to these extremes.

How could it have been handled better?

I think the officers handled the situation remarkably well given the level of extreme violence that was inflicted upon them.

You mention “three armed officers” as if having a firearm gives them an advantage in this kind of situation. Would you have preferred they shot the two men?

MeouwCat · 27/07/2024 23:25

Not looking much like police brutality, time to take down the thread.

rosiers · 27/07/2024 23:25

@EasternStandard I suppose we'll find out more about how the situation escalated in time, presumably when the body cam footage & audio is released.

On the basis of the footage it looks as though one of the perpetrators throws the first punch, although this is in response to his brother being put in a headlock. It would be interesting to know what happened in those first few seconds upon approach that led to it becoming physical so quickly.

RienDeRienNon · 27/07/2024 23:26

I support the police. It’s a tough job. Stamping is unacceptable but also, don’t touch police officers! In the US you’d be shot!

cakeorwine · 27/07/2024 23:28

Vivi0 · 27/07/2024 23:25

How could it have been handled better?

I think the officers handled the situation remarkably well given the level of extreme violence that was inflicted upon them.

You mention “three armed officers” as if having a firearm gives them an advantage in this kind of situation. Would you have preferred they shot the two men?

Why approach from behind?
Why a headlock so quickly.
It was a busy environment. The police officers were attacked from behind.

Could they have waited until he was away from the other people and been approached from in front?

Did it need to be handled in the way it was at the start ?

Livelovebehappy · 27/07/2024 23:29

Glad that video evidence is now available showing actions prior to the incident. It certainly puts to bed the lies spun by the thugs that they were doing nothing wrong. Now time to move on. Nothing to see here…

Vivi0 · 27/07/2024 23:29

cakeorwine · 27/07/2024 23:28

Why approach from behind?
Why a headlock so quickly.
It was a busy environment. The police officers were attacked from behind.

Could they have waited until he was away from the other people and been approached from in front?

Did it need to be handled in the way it was at the start ?

They are much better trained than you are, so they obviously had their reasons, didn’t they.

MeouwCat · 27/07/2024 23:30

rosiers · 27/07/2024 23:25

@EasternStandard I suppose we'll find out more about how the situation escalated in time, presumably when the body cam footage & audio is released.

On the basis of the footage it looks as though one of the perpetrators throws the first punch, although this is in response to his brother being put in a headlock. It would be interesting to know what happened in those first few seconds upon approach that led to it becoming physical so quickly.

Its not a pub brawl though, is it? Why would anyone throw punches at the police. They ae there to protect us.

TheThingIsYeah · 27/07/2024 23:31

@cakeorwine As I say, I expect this will be cleared up when we see the full CCTV / body worn footage.

rosiers · 27/07/2024 23:31

@Vivi0 "Would you have preferred they shot the two men?"

What do you think? I'm not a police trainer but I would have thought one of the top priorities is to maintain control of a situation. Control was lost spectacularly quickly! Thankfully they were able to regain it.

Vivi0 · 27/07/2024 23:32

MeouwCat · 27/07/2024 23:30

Its not a pub brawl though, is it? Why would anyone throw punches at the police. They ae there to protect us.

I’ve seen so many comments referring to the incident as a “fight” or “getting physical”, as if part of the job for a police officer is getting involved in scraps with people.

The police officers were attacked in an extremely violent way whilst doing their job.

Vivi0 · 27/07/2024 23:33

rosiers · 27/07/2024 23:31

@Vivi0 "Would you have preferred they shot the two men?"

What do you think? I'm not a police trainer but I would have thought one of the top priorities is to maintain control of a situation. Control was lost spectacularly quickly! Thankfully they were able to regain it.

Control was lost spectacularly quickly because of the frighteningly quick level of violence used against the officers. How does one maintain control when being punched off of their feet, or being attacked from behind?

Livelovebehappy · 27/07/2024 23:33

If someone behaves in a criminal way, I’m of the opinion that the police should react in whatever way they see fit. There should be fear of the police by anyone committing crime. And if people don’t commit a crime, then they have nothing to fear.

MeouwCat · 27/07/2024 23:33

Vivi0 · 27/07/2024 23:32

I’ve seen so many comments referring to the incident as a “fight” or “getting physical”, as if part of the job for a police officer is getting involved in scraps with people.

The police officers were attacked in an extremely violent way whilst doing their job.

Like its the old bill up against the Crays or whoever.

EasternStandard · 27/07/2024 23:34

rosiers · 27/07/2024 23:31

@Vivi0 "Would you have preferred they shot the two men?"

What do you think? I'm not a police trainer but I would have thought one of the top priorities is to maintain control of a situation. Control was lost spectacularly quickly! Thankfully they were able to regain it.

That’s down to the violent actions of the men though

If it look brutal and out of control it’s because they were

MeouwCat · 27/07/2024 23:34

Sorry I meant Krays.

LittleRedHen77 · 27/07/2024 23:35

rosiers · 27/07/2024 23:25

@EasternStandard I suppose we'll find out more about how the situation escalated in time, presumably when the body cam footage & audio is released.

On the basis of the footage it looks as though one of the perpetrators throws the first punch, although this is in response to his brother being put in a headlock. It would be interesting to know what happened in those first few seconds upon approach that led to it becoming physical so quickly.

You're honestly crazy. You can't punch police officers for trying to arrest your brother. That's not how it works. I'm incredulous that you genuinely think that level of violence is acceptable. Most normal people wouldn't even try to resist arrest, but you definitely can't start attacking police for trying to arrest someone else. How do you think a lawful society would function if this became typical behaviour.

TheThingIsYeah · 27/07/2024 23:36

@Vivi0

The police officers were attacked in an extremely violent way whilst doing their job.

Exactly. In an airport too. What fucking idiot thinks it's a good idea to start throwing punches at armed officers in such an environment? It's entitlement on an other level.

5431go · 27/07/2024 23:37

This country is a joke. Those thugs savagely beat a female police officer doing her job.

The police are far too soft in this country and are being smothered and restricted further. Now a criminal investigation for this police officer? Meanwhile my neighbours house was burgled and the perpetrators defected on the bed a spray painted their name on the wall yet ….. not enough evidence to find and prosecute?

Public servants can literally no longer do their jobs! Police can’t police, Doctors and Nurses practicing defensively, and none of this serves the public’s best interests!

AlecTrevelyan006 · 27/07/2024 23:37

I’m unsure as to why we need to cross examine ourselves

The line where a lesser amount of force is needed was crossed when
A a police office was injured
B it was in a high security area
C there was the potential for the copper to loose control of his weapon.

There’s three reasons why he gets subdued and questions get asked later.

I’d rather the cops do that than the authorities loose control and potentially see a shooting happen
I agree that stamping and kicking is head is strong and indeed a lottery of injuries
But in getting back control of the situation it’s fair game.

MeouwCat · 27/07/2024 23:40

You have been utterly suckered, you hand wringers.

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 27/07/2024 23:42

AlecTrevelyan006 · 27/07/2024 23:37

I’m unsure as to why we need to cross examine ourselves

The line where a lesser amount of force is needed was crossed when
A a police office was injured
B it was in a high security area
C there was the potential for the copper to loose control of his weapon.

There’s three reasons why he gets subdued and questions get asked later.

I’d rather the cops do that than the authorities loose control and potentially see a shooting happen
I agree that stamping and kicking is head is strong and indeed a lottery of injuries
But in getting back control of the situation it’s fair game.

Because he was already subdued. That's the issue.

cakeorwine · 27/07/2024 23:43

Vivi0 · 27/07/2024 23:29

They are much better trained than you are, so they obviously had their reasons, didn’t they.

Maybe
Or maybe they handled it wrong in the way they made there approach - even trained people make mistakes.