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Greater Manchester Police brutality

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Gummybear23 · 24/07/2024 22:22

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/24/armed-police-officer-filmed-kicking-man-in-face-at-manchester-airport

Sickening behaviour. Surely tasering the man is enough.
He is on the floor tasered so you give him some kickings to the head?

Hope this is properly investigated.
Greater Manchester Police have an awful reputation.

Manchester airport: officer removed from frontline duty after arrest video goes viral

Armed police officer seen kicking suspect in footage Greater Manchester police called ‘truly shocking’

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/24/armed-police-officer-filmed-kicking-man-in-face-at-manchester-airport

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AlecTrevelyan006 · 27/07/2024 23:44

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 27/07/2024 23:42

Because he was already subdued. That's the issue.

If I was one of the police officers, based on his extremely violent assault on myself and my colleagues in the past few seconds and the movement of his head, I would be very concerned that he would try to get up and continue his extremely violent assault.

I would also be not sure that he would let me apply handcuffs and I would also be very concerned that he might have some friends with him who also might assault me.

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 27/07/2024 23:44

Livelovebehappy · 27/07/2024 23:33

If someone behaves in a criminal way, I’m of the opinion that the police should react in whatever way they see fit. There should be fear of the police by anyone committing crime. And if people don’t commit a crime, then they have nothing to fear.

Define crime. Lesbian nan springs to mind.

rosiers · 27/07/2024 23:45

@LittleRedHen77 you can stop clutching your pearls I absolutely don't think that level of violence is acceptable.

I was asked who I thought it escalated it. Observing that the point of escalation appears to be the headlock doesn't mean that I condone the violence. If a police officer put my brother in a headlock I certainly wouldn't be throwing any punches.

Vivi0 · 27/07/2024 23:46

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 27/07/2024 23:42

Because he was already subdued. That's the issue.

He wasn’t, though.

He was tasered. The effects of being tasered wear off instantly. It’s not unreasonable for the police officers to assume he would get back on his feet given how violent he was and his determination and willingness to inflict violence upon those police officers.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 27/07/2024 23:46

Analysis here. Suggests that when the guy in the blue top was tasered the cop that kicked him had his back to him and may not of known.
Also as the blue top and the cop are struggling before he is tasered and fall to the ground blue boy looks to possibly have his hand on his holster

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jw6cR53f2ag&pp=y...

LEAKED VIDEO: Police at Manchester Airport WHAT REALLY HAPPENED!

The video we NEEDED TO SEE - British armed police assaulted by two men who attack them all!Support the police, this is NOT acceptable in the UK!Life lessons ...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jw6cR53f2ag&pp=ygUcbmV3IG1hbmNoZXN0ZXIgYWlycG9ydCB2aWRlbw%3D%3D

Livelovebehappy · 27/07/2024 23:47

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 27/07/2024 23:44

Define crime. Lesbian nan springs to mind.

Anyone breaking the law.

MeouwCat · 27/07/2024 23:47

GabriellaMontez · 27/07/2024 23:23

I think the police deserve a medal.

No one was permanently injured. No shots were fired. It could've been so different.

Exactly in many countries of the world, it wouldnt have finished like this.

AnnieSnap · 27/07/2024 23:47

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Agreed, but that is a separate issue isn’t it?

Vivi0 · 27/07/2024 23:53

cakeorwine · 27/07/2024 23:43

Maybe
Or maybe they handled it wrong in the way they made there approach - even trained people make mistakes.

Sure.

But given these were trained officers carrying firearms, I’m going to assume that their approach was deemed to be appropriate.

I’m any event, I’m not sure how common it is for officers to experience this level of violence. I can well imagine what followed by these two men was entirely unexpected. Hindsight and all.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 27/07/2024 23:54

It’s clear that many people on this thread have (fortunately for them) never been involved in or witnessed a violent incident of this kind. The idea that this could have been avoided by a calm chat and a cup of tea is laughable. The thugs in the video were not holding back and it could easily have ended up with those police officers being far more seriously injured than they were.

Vivi0 · 27/07/2024 23:56

AlecTrevelyan006 · 27/07/2024 23:54

It’s clear that many people on this thread have (fortunately for them) never been involved in or witnessed a violent incident of this kind. The idea that this could have been avoided by a calm chat and a cup of tea is laughable. The thugs in the video were not holding back and it could easily have ended up with those police officers being far more seriously injured than they were.

Or the discharge of a firearm.

EasternStandard · 27/07/2024 23:59

AlecTrevelyan006 · 27/07/2024 23:54

It’s clear that many people on this thread have (fortunately for them) never been involved in or witnessed a violent incident of this kind. The idea that this could have been avoided by a calm chat and a cup of tea is laughable. The thugs in the video were not holding back and it could easily have ended up with those police officers being far more seriously injured than they were.

Yes agree. I haven’t been near this but you’re right

jen337 · 28/07/2024 00:01

I think OP’s been a bit selective in quoting from the article.
In a statement greater Manchester police said “During our response, three officers were assaulted. One female officer suffered a broken nose and the other officers were forced to the ground and suffered injuries which required hospital treatment.”
They went on to say that “once handcuffed, the suspect went on to viciously headbutt the boot of the armed officer before further attacking the officer’s knee with his rib cage. It was only through the brave and courageous actions of the officer in tasering a completely different individual that he was finally taken into custody, miraculously unharmed, we should add. Sadly the suspect suffered unrelated injuries in an unfortunate accident falling out of bed in his cell where three more officers were definitely not present at the time.”
”The officers not involved have been removed from front line duty on full pay and benefits to deal with the trauma of the incident that they had no involvement in….”

MeouwCat · 28/07/2024 00:04

The British police may make mistakes and overact, but do people on here reallly believe they would stamp on a suspeects head, I dont. It scares me that my fellow citizens do. How did we gete her.

Vivi0 · 28/07/2024 00:04

LittleRedHen77 · 27/07/2024 23:35

You're honestly crazy. You can't punch police officers for trying to arrest your brother. That's not how it works. I'm incredulous that you genuinely think that level of violence is acceptable. Most normal people wouldn't even try to resist arrest, but you definitely can't start attacking police for trying to arrest someone else. How do you think a lawful society would function if this became typical behaviour.

You’re honestly crazy

Exactly this.

If these men are capable of violence to this extent against police officers (one being a woman), imagine what else they are capable of.

I don’t know what is more frightening, men like this, or people who actually believe men like this are victims.

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/07/2024 00:09

Vivi0 · Yesterday 23:46
ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat ·Yesterday 23:42
Because he was already subdued. That's the issue.

He wasn’t, though.
**
He was tasered. The effects of being tasered wear off instantly. It’s not unreasonable for the police officers to assume he would get back on his feet given how violent he was and his determination and willingness to inflict violence upon those police officers.“

So it’s ok to kick him in the face and stomp on his head with steel toe capped boots? No, it isn’t.
Sit astride him whilst cuffing, yes. Violent assault, no.

mrswhiplington · 28/07/2024 00:12

It's a pity they didn't have police dogs with them. A couple of snarling German Shepherds and the thugs might have thought twice about attacking police officers.

mommatoone · 28/07/2024 00:13

The link that@AlecTrevelyan006 has just posted breaks this down bit by bit. Worth a watch.

MoosakaWithFries · 28/07/2024 00:14

I'm glad the CCTV has been released.

Reading the opinion of some are just terrifying. The video shows extreme violence towards another human being (police officer) yet he is the one that is blamed for this situation.

The officer is at the airport carrying firearms for the protection of the public. He has had blows reined on him to his head multiple times and repeatedly - all of this whilst he is carrying a firearm that could be discharged at ANY time and not by himself. The multiple blows to the head, combined with the concern for his firearm being used against him and also other innocent members of the public (could be you or I with our kids coming back from Benidorm), must have been absolutely fucking terrifying. At that point this officer is fighting for his (and our) lives.

...and for only 45k per year I must add.

What happens next must be left for GMP to investigate.

To those posters who say that perhaps better communication could have been given beforehand/they went in heavy handed/there's something wrong with the quality of the training - apply to your local police force and offer up your services and impart your knowledge and experience of dealing with the most violent people of society.

Vivi0 · 28/07/2024 00:16

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/07/2024 00:09

Vivi0 · Yesterday 23:46
ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat ·Yesterday 23:42
Because he was already subdued. That's the issue.

He wasn’t, though.
**
He was tasered. The effects of being tasered wear off instantly. It’s not unreasonable for the police officers to assume he would get back on his feet given how violent he was and his determination and willingness to inflict violence upon those police officers.“

So it’s ok to kick him in the face and stomp on his head with steel toe capped boots? No, it isn’t.
Sit astride him whilst cuffing, yes. Violent assault, no.

Stomp on his head? When did this happen? I’ve not seen that in the footage.

I seen a kick to the face, which quite honestly, is really the least shocking act of violence in the sequence.

Even once handcuffed, the man didn’t stop trying to assault the officers.

Had the man in question been handcuffed, forced to the ground and kicked in the face, I would have a serious problem with it.

Watching this absolute psychopath inflict extreme violence on officers doing nothing more than their job - I have less of a problem with it.

Jmaho · 28/07/2024 00:19

Hey @Gummybear23 watched the new video yet?

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/07/2024 00:21

Yes, he very clearly stomps on his head with a bloody great boot! Not sure what footage you’ve seen? It’s been all over the news. Crystal clear. Watch again, maybe?

Mayorq · 28/07/2024 00:21

MeouwCat · 28/07/2024 00:04

The British police may make mistakes and overact, but do people on here reallly believe they would stamp on a suspeects head, I dont. It scares me that my fellow citizens do. How did we gete her.

Well yeah, I do ... because I saw them stamp on a detainees head

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/07/2024 00:25

MeouwCat · Today 00:04
The British police may make mistakes and overact, but do people on here reallly believe they would stamp on a suspeects head, I dont. It scares me that my fellow citizens do. How did we gete her”

By watching BBC News at Ten, in my case, where the footage was shown. How have you not seen it?

rosiers · 28/07/2024 00:28

MeouwCat · 28/07/2024 00:04

The British police may make mistakes and overact, but do people on here reallly believe they would stamp on a suspeects head, I dont. It scares me that my fellow citizens do. How did we gete her.

Hmm, I didn't think a British police officer would lure a lone female into his car and rape and murder her 🤷🏻‍♀️

I'm not suggesting anything about this officer by this comment btw before it gets manipulated. I'm addressing the naivety of thinking a policeman wouldn't do anything wrong because of his profession.