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Greater Manchester Police brutality

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Gummybear23 · 24/07/2024 22:22

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/24/armed-police-officer-filmed-kicking-man-in-face-at-manchester-airport

Sickening behaviour. Surely tasering the man is enough.
He is on the floor tasered so you give him some kickings to the head?

Hope this is properly investigated.
Greater Manchester Police have an awful reputation.

Manchester airport: officer removed from frontline duty after arrest video goes viral

Armed police officer seen kicking suspect in footage Greater Manchester police called ‘truly shocking’

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/24/armed-police-officer-filmed-kicking-man-in-face-at-manchester-airport

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Elle7 · 27/07/2024 20:24

Poppysmom22 · 27/07/2024 20:15

He’s on the floor with his hands cuffed behind his back what was he going to do from that position- I do not care what went before kicking a prone person in the head is inexcusable and certainly as the action of a police officer brings the service into disrepute he d as would face the same criminal charges as everyone else would

He’s NOT cuffed!!! Have you watched the whole footage??

TheThingIsYeah · 27/07/2024 20:26

@AnnieSnap

That’s rubbish! I’m guessing you voted for Brexit too

What on earth has Brexit got to do with it?
Although tbf this is Mumsnet - this is the closest we've got so far without someone trying to blame Nigel Farage 😝

Poppysmom22 · 27/07/2024 20:27

Elle7 · 27/07/2024 20:24

He’s NOT cuffed!!! Have you watched the whole footage??

oh so he isn’t - well that means it’s totally alright to kick someone in the face and stamp on their head. My mistake 🤔

AllThePotatoesAreSinging · 27/07/2024 20:30

AnnieSnap · 27/07/2024 20:16

Nobody has suggested for a moment that these were “nice lads”. What kind of individuals they are is irrelevant. The issue is that a ARMED Police Officer decided to kick a prone, non-threatening detained person in the head, then proceeded to stamp on his head. We are entitled to stable, professional Police. The service is full of ill disciplined thugs as evidenced by repeated cases of disgusting misogyny, racism, homophobia and criminal violence committed by Officers (including murder and rape) over many years.

The initial reporting called the two men ‘well known charity workers’. They definitely suggested they were ‘nice lads’.

EsmaCannonball · 27/07/2024 20:30

The full footage is truly shocking. I'm still not condoning the head-kicking officer but these were clearly men who felt totally comfortable launching an extremely violent, unprovoked attack on police officers at an airport. One officer was being repeated punched in the head. Why did they respond like that to the officers? If that's how they treat people with the power to arrest them then how violent would they be to a civilian?

One thing I am taking away from this is that if the police ever try to arrest you it is probably wiser to respond violently as, if filmed, it will get people on your side, it will muddy the waters at your trial and you will probably end up with financial compensation.

AnnieSnap · 27/07/2024 20:31

AllThePotatoesAreSinging · 27/07/2024 20:30

The initial reporting called the two men ‘well known charity workers’. They definitely suggested they were ‘nice lads’.

Ok, I didn’t read that. Most of us weren’t viewing it that way.

EsmaCannonball · 27/07/2024 20:32

AllThePotatoesAreSinging · 27/07/2024 20:30

The initial reporting called the two men ‘well known charity workers’. They definitely suggested they were ‘nice lads’.

Well, there are charities ..... and charities.

AnnieSnap · 27/07/2024 20:32

TheThingIsYeah · 27/07/2024 20:26

@AnnieSnap

That’s rubbish! I’m guessing you voted for Brexit too

What on earth has Brexit got to do with it?
Although tbf this is Mumsnet - this is the closest we've got so far without someone trying to blame Nigel Farage 😝

It’s relevant because you are playing the ‘ethnic minorities get special treatment’ card

Elle7 · 27/07/2024 20:33

Poppysmom22 · 27/07/2024 20:27

oh so he isn’t - well that means it’s totally alright to kick someone in the face and stamp on their head. My mistake 🤔

Which means you hadn’t seen all of the footage!

Ok!

And no he wasn’t cuffed was he, he’d been completely out of control, was violent to three ARMED officers, the last one tasering him while being assaulted by him!!

EsmaCannonball · 27/07/2024 20:35

I wonder why they started punching the officers immediately after being approached? What had they done that meant they didn't want to be arrested that badly? It was a really extreme response.

Elle7 · 27/07/2024 20:35

And yet they’re ‘afraid’ of the police! Yeh right!

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 27/07/2024 20:38

Elle7 · 27/07/2024 20:01

So it’s only now that the WHOLE footage is shared across the media!

The WHOLE footage must have been available before but because of ‘skin colour’ it’s been made out that the police were the aggressors in the first instance!

Let’s imagine the aggressors were white! I don’t doubt that the WHOLE footage would have been fully available across all social media and national news outlets from the get go!!

The colour of skin has NOTHING to do with aggression does it! They were aggressive, totally out of control and deserved to be restrained! I absolutely DO NOT condone police violence, but by god, let’s not downplay what these two thugs did before hand!!!!

No one has downplayed it. It's been stated many times that they were in some kind of fight with other people in the airport and then involved somehow in the altercation with the police. Not fully sure about the full extent as details were scarce , but no one thought they were innocent.

The issue is that what happened before is irrelevant. The head kicking and stamping did NOT happen during the assault on the police . It happened after, once the man was tasered and lying flat on the floor. It wasn't an act of policing or retraining or arresting. It was violence and revenge and that is not acceptable.

The police are not judge and jury. They don't get to decide what criminals deserve based on their feelings on the day. That's not how this works.

Once you're ok with this for criminals, then you're ok with it for innocent people. Mistakes happen, mistaken identities, certain conditions can easily be mistaken for drunk/belligerent/threatening/aggressive. Crimes and what constitutes a crime differ, like putting stickers in a public place, making a twitter comment or calling a police officer a lesbian. People have been arrested, manhandled,taken to a jail cell for that.

EsmaCannonball · 27/07/2024 20:40

When I first heard about the incident I thought they were resisting arrest but this wasn't resisting arrest, it was an actual very violent attack. The officer who was being repeatedly pummelled in the head could have also been killed or suffered brain damage. I hope he counter-sues.

EasternStandard · 27/07/2024 20:40

That’s horrendous, how violent they are

rosiers · 27/07/2024 20:40

EsmaCannonball · 27/07/2024 20:30

The full footage is truly shocking. I'm still not condoning the head-kicking officer but these were clearly men who felt totally comfortable launching an extremely violent, unprovoked attack on police officers at an airport. One officer was being repeated punched in the head. Why did they respond like that to the officers? If that's how they treat people with the power to arrest them then how violent would they be to a civilian?

One thing I am taking away from this is that if the police ever try to arrest you it is probably wiser to respond violently as, if filmed, it will get people on your side, it will muddy the waters at your trial and you will probably end up with financial compensation.

Hmm I am definitely not excusing the actions of the men, but I don't think we can be sure that it was entirely unprovoked. It appears that the police officers got physical pretty quickly by placing or attempting to place him in a headlock, a few seconds before his brother throws the first punch. I wonder what happened/what was said upon the initial approach of the police that meant things escalated so quickly.

EsmaCannonball · 27/07/2024 21:07

The police officer who does the kick is the same officer who was repeatedly punched in the head by one man and then has the second man jump on his back and start attacking him while he is holding his taser. The female police officer may have had her nose broken but he clearly got the worst of the violence. I wonder if he will be able to use shock or confusion after a head injury as a defence? The kick seems less calculated in the longer video. More of a panic response after a man has just jumped you and could have grabbed your taser.

I kind of wish the two guys had done this in an airport in,say, Dubai or Moscow.

Arconialiving · 27/07/2024 21:10

Me too @EsmaCannonball but they'd never do that - they're violent thugs but I imagine they're not stupid to do it somewhere that they'd actually get properly punished.

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 27/07/2024 21:12

I kind of wish the two guys had done this in an airport in,say, Dubai or Moscow.

Ironically, a lot of posters on here seem to be advocating for police to behave like in Dubai and Moscow.

JacquesHarlow · 27/07/2024 21:21

ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat · 27/07/2024 20:38

No one has downplayed it. It's been stated many times that they were in some kind of fight with other people in the airport and then involved somehow in the altercation with the police. Not fully sure about the full extent as details were scarce , but no one thought they were innocent.

The issue is that what happened before is irrelevant. The head kicking and stamping did NOT happen during the assault on the police . It happened after, once the man was tasered and lying flat on the floor. It wasn't an act of policing or retraining or arresting. It was violence and revenge and that is not acceptable.

The police are not judge and jury. They don't get to decide what criminals deserve based on their feelings on the day. That's not how this works.

Once you're ok with this for criminals, then you're ok with it for innocent people. Mistakes happen, mistaken identities, certain conditions can easily be mistaken for drunk/belligerent/threatening/aggressive. Crimes and what constitutes a crime differ, like putting stickers in a public place, making a twitter comment or calling a police officer a lesbian. People have been arrested, manhandled,taken to a jail cell for that.

The issue is that what happened before is irrelevant.

have you ever been outnumbered by a mob who are prepared to violently swing at female officers, and you don’t have any backup? I think you’ll find that this fact is VERY relevant

The head kicking and stamping did NOT happen during the assault on the police . It happened after, once the man was tasered and lying flat on the floor.

ah this is such nonsense - how do you know when the guy decided he was “done” - do you think that Tasering someone is the end of it? It’s not a magic potion - I have seen people Tasered who turn into raging bulls again before being subdued. He has female officers who have broken noses, screaming etc, they are outnumbered. he had to ensure the person on the ground wasn’t a threat, and again..he was outnumbered. yes it fully deserves to be referred to the police commission, but some of you armchair observers are terrifying.

It wasn't an act of policing or retraining or arresting. It was violence and revenge and that is not acceptable.

in the United States and at least fifty other countries around the world, that guy would have been shot to subdue him.

Shot.

Our police have to get up and close to people to subdue them - we can’t fire away at a distance. Even a Taser has to be used up close, and then after discharge, it’s not a magic bullet solution. You see this as revenge - I say, wait for the inquiry.

The police are not judge and jury. They don't get to decide what criminals deserve based on their feelings on the day. That's not how this works.

i don’t think anyone disagrees with this

Just as I disagree with you being judge and jury by watching a bloody VIDEO and then deciding what’s what

As I said, the police have to be referred to the complaints commission, but my god , some of the amateur judges on here, it’s bizarre

GabriellaMontez · 27/07/2024 21:31

Elle7 · 27/07/2024 20:35

And yet they’re ‘afraid’ of the police! Yeh right!

Yeah. They look really afraid...

And these are armed police? It's hard to believe just how unafraid they look.

EsmaCannonball · 27/07/2024 21:32

I can't see it in the video myself but apparently the officer who did the kick, after being punched about 11 times in the head and then jumped on by the second man, lost his glasses in the attack. That may also be a factor in how intentional the kick and stomping was. Panicked, dizzy and not able to see properly?

TheThingIsYeah · 27/07/2024 21:35

@rosiers

The police officer who unnecessarily assaulted someone is not safe to police our streets

I disagree, Im quite happy for this officer to patrol our streets (or airports). But then I'm not a sensitive twat that goes round punching police officers for the flimsiest of reasons. But I concede I'll be in the minority on this forum.

mommatoone · 27/07/2024 21:36

I'm glad this footage has been finally released. It'll be interesting to see how our MPs/ community leaders respond to it, seeing as they were very vocal earlier in the week. Absolutely abhorrent behaviour towards the Police. These thugs apparently have a brother who is a Police Officer in GMP. Can you imagine if someone had assaulted him in this way?.

Arconialiving · 27/07/2024 21:39

TheThingIsYeah · 27/07/2024 21:35

@rosiers

The police officer who unnecessarily assaulted someone is not safe to police our streets

I disagree, Im quite happy for this officer to patrol our streets (or airports). But then I'm not a sensitive twat that goes round punching police officers for the flimsiest of reasons. But I concede I'll be in the minority on this forum.

I'm with you & honestly think the majority of decent people are.

EasternStandard · 27/07/2024 21:41

TheThingIsYeah · 27/07/2024 21:35

@rosiers

The police officer who unnecessarily assaulted someone is not safe to police our streets

I disagree, Im quite happy for this officer to patrol our streets (or airports). But then I'm not a sensitive twat that goes round punching police officers for the flimsiest of reasons. But I concede I'll be in the minority on this forum.

It’s awful to see the real violence they face in their job