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Greater Manchester Police brutality

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Gummybear23 · 24/07/2024 22:22

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/24/armed-police-officer-filmed-kicking-man-in-face-at-manchester-airport

Sickening behaviour. Surely tasering the man is enough.
He is on the floor tasered so you give him some kickings to the head?

Hope this is properly investigated.
Greater Manchester Police have an awful reputation.

Manchester airport: officer removed from frontline duty after arrest video goes viral

Armed police officer seen kicking suspect in footage Greater Manchester police called ‘truly shocking’

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/24/armed-police-officer-filmed-kicking-man-in-face-at-manchester-airport

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Flibflobflibflob · 27/07/2024 19:14

cakeorwine · 27/07/2024 19:07

If you are an armed police officer, do you think the intial approach to the suspect should have been different?

It looks like they came from behind and put him in a headlock very quickly.

I think I read somewhere there had previously been an altercation at baggage reclaim with another passenger. It may have been because they considered him dangerous before they got anywhere near him. Plus I can’t hear the video, they could have called out a warning or something beforehand.

I will tell you what I would do if someone came up behind me and I realised it was a police officer. I’d go “wtf you doing”. What I wouldn’t do is start punching people who are clearly police.

TheThingIsYeah · 27/07/2024 19:15

Full CCTV out there and the armchair officers are still clinging on telling everyone how it should be done!

Flibflobflibflob · 27/07/2024 19:17

Tbh I wouldn’t believe anything those two said, I also read they claimed that a police officer slapped their mum. Also read that they got into a fight because someone wanted to search their mum and they said she couldn’t be searched because she’s muslim.I don’t know, I mean it’s all bollocks isn’t it. Those two are thugs and should be in prison not sitting on their sofa making sad faces.

It’s classic DARVO isn’t it.

kerstina · 27/07/2024 19:18

Imagine the horror that could have unfolded if they had of got old of the firearms. That lady keep wandering in and out is very odd wonder if she has dementia.

cakeorwine · 27/07/2024 19:18

Flibflobflibflob · 27/07/2024 19:14

I think I read somewhere there had previously been an altercation at baggage reclaim with another passenger. It may have been because they considered him dangerous before they got anywhere near him. Plus I can’t hear the video, they could have called out a warning or something beforehand.

I will tell you what I would do if someone came up behind me and I realised it was a police officer. I’d go “wtf you doing”. What I wouldn’t do is start punching people who are clearly police.

I wouldn't attack the police either.
Clearly very angry men and completely stupid to think they can get away with it.

But - it does look like after this, the 2 men involved were either on the ground or on the bench with their hands behind their head.

At that point, things should have been handled differently. The police have the weapons, the tasers and at that point, they should not have needed to use the physical force that they did.

I get that the "blood" might have been up after what had just happened.

Nobodyknowsitall5 · 27/07/2024 19:20

The poor family are traumatised by the actions of the police, not those two lovely charity workers who clearly demonstrated extreme violence in the first place. The actions of the officer in that last moment were still wrong, but I understand why it happened.

PuttingDownRoots · 27/07/2024 19:22

It is still going to come down to whether the actions were appropriate force... it was always obvious that there had been violence beforehand and the victims weren't just sweet, innocent bystanders.

cakeorwine · 27/07/2024 19:22

TheThingIsYeah · 27/07/2024 19:15

Full CCTV out there and the armchair officers are still clinging on telling everyone how it should be done!

Do you think that officers who carry firearms should approach suspects from behind in a crowded place and then put them in a headlock - with the risk of their firearms being taken off them?

That looks to me like a dangerous approach to take.

If you carry firearms and you are concerned about them being taken off you, then surely you are trained to approach suspects with caution.

AllThePotatoesAreSinging · 27/07/2024 19:22

kerstina · 27/07/2024 19:18

Imagine the horror that could have unfolded if they had of got old of the firearms. That lady keep wandering in and out is very odd wonder if she has dementia.

Unlikely. She’s probably under 50. She’s not wandering, she’s deliberately grabbing and obstructing the police. You can see her pull at the police officer as he tries to arrest her older son.

Elle7 · 27/07/2024 19:23

cakeorwine · 27/07/2024 18:59

A link to the footage.

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1928850/manchester-airport-police-incident-new-video-latest

It looks like he has been tasered.
The whole incident just seems strange.
The police walk up to the person and grab him. They seem to put him in a headlock very quickly.
Then a fight breaks out very quickly.
The person seems to be tasered.
Then the police officer kicks him in the head.

Again, you’re putting it all on the police aren’t you!

I clearly didn’t see (or interpreted) as you did!

Arconialiving · 27/07/2024 19:24

Flibflobflibflob · 27/07/2024 19:17

Tbh I wouldn’t believe anything those two said, I also read they claimed that a police officer slapped their mum. Also read that they got into a fight because someone wanted to search their mum and they said she couldn’t be searched because she’s muslim.I don’t know, I mean it’s all bollocks isn’t it. Those two are thugs and should be in prison not sitting on their sofa making sad faces.

It’s classic DARVO isn’t it.

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Absolutely correct. They're fucking violent scumbags who need to be taken off our streets. I really hope they're fully prosecuted.

Hope the police officers who were badly hurt are ok.

TheBizzies · 27/07/2024 19:25

I just saw the preceding footage. 😮

cakeorwine · 27/07/2024 19:26

Elle7 · 27/07/2024 19:23

Again, you’re putting it all on the police aren’t you!

I clearly didn’t see (or interpreted) as you did!

I saw armed police approach someone from behind.
The person is in a headlock very quickly - why?

Then the fight breaks out - clearly that should not have happened and it's awful to see.

Then the suspects are either on the ground or on the chair with their hands behind their head.

Then the person on the floor - who looks like they've been tasered - is kicked in the head by the police offficer.

Then the other video shows an officer going to the person on the bench and using force to get them to the floor.

What did you see?

cakeorwine · 27/07/2024 19:27

And yes - the people who attacked the police officers should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

TheThingIsYeah · 27/07/2024 19:29

cakeorwine · 27/07/2024 19:22

Do you think that officers who carry firearms should approach suspects from behind in a crowded place and then put them in a headlock - with the risk of their firearms being taken off them?

That looks to me like a dangerous approach to take.

If you carry firearms and you are concerned about them being taken off you, then surely you are trained to approach suspects with caution.

I don't know. I'm not a trained AR officer.

Suggest you offer your words of wisdom to the chief constable of GMP. I'm sure he'll be grateful for it.

cakeorwine · 27/07/2024 19:31

TheThingIsYeah · 27/07/2024 19:29

I don't know. I'm not a trained AR officer.

Suggest you offer your words of wisdom to the chief constable of GMP. I'm sure he'll be grateful for it.

I suspect that armed police officers are looking at that and are discussing how they would approach a suspect in that situation.

If you carry a weapon as a police officer, you have to be careful about how you approach people - in case someone does take it off you

Elle7 · 27/07/2024 19:32

cakeorwine · 27/07/2024 19:26

I saw armed police approach someone from behind.
The person is in a headlock very quickly - why?

Then the fight breaks out - clearly that should not have happened and it's awful to see.

Then the suspects are either on the ground or on the chair with their hands behind their head.

Then the person on the floor - who looks like they've been tasered - is kicked in the head by the police offficer.

Then the other video shows an officer going to the person on the bench and using force to get them to the floor.

What did you see?

I saw the raw footage for all to see!

Both CLEARLY out of control!

Armed police in an airport approaching someone, regardless if it’s from behind, there was CLEARLY a reason for this, which was probably why both men were in a heightened state of aggression beforehand!

Both deserved to be tasered! Both deserved to be restrained! Both don’t know need to state how they’re afraid of the police when CLEARLY they’re anything but!

Goldusty · 27/07/2024 19:34

and in all this who is looking after our police officers? It’s so easy for us to judge them on one snapshot of them in action. It’s a truly difficult job and if you’ve ever had to deal with scumbags like those two you’d understand how this could happen…definitely with the police on this one

Blueblell · 27/07/2024 19:50

I have just seen the pre footage of what had been shown and there is clearly much more to this story. They were clearly very violent people! This police officer has seen his colleagues being attacked and he has reacted. Probably not what he is meant to professionally but on a personal level I don’t blame him for loosing his rag. I hope he is supported by the police force and that nobody gets any free money (compensation)

Elle7 · 27/07/2024 20:01

So it’s only now that the WHOLE footage is shared across the media!

The WHOLE footage must have been available before but because of ‘skin colour’ it’s been made out that the police were the aggressors in the first instance!

Let’s imagine the aggressors were white! I don’t doubt that the WHOLE footage would have been fully available across all social media and national news outlets from the get go!!

The colour of skin has NOTHING to do with aggression does it! They were aggressive, totally out of control and deserved to be restrained! I absolutely DO NOT condone police violence, but by god, let’s not downplay what these two thugs did before hand!!!!

Arconialiving · 27/07/2024 20:02

Goldusty · 27/07/2024 19:34

and in all this who is looking after our police officers? It’s so easy for us to judge them on one snapshot of them in action. It’s a truly difficult job and if you’ve ever had to deal with scumbags like those two you’d understand how this could happen…definitely with the police on this one

Me too!

rosiers · 27/07/2024 20:12

The footage is shocking but it doesn't change anything for me.

The perpetrator has been tasered and is on the floor (no longer a threat). The officer stands up and pulls his taser ready to discharge but clearly realises this isn't necessary as the person is no longer a threat. Despite this, 6 seconds after getting to his feet and realising there is no threat, he kicks him in the head and stomps on his head.

This is an act of violent revenge, not reasonable force. The perpetrator is already detained. We should expect professionalism from our police officers, especially ones wandering around with firearms.

I'm not saying there is never a circumstance where that would be reasonable or proportionate, but it simply wasn't necessary then.

I also think it was intentional for the police to confirm right from the outset that it was a female officer that suffered a broken nose.

In their initial statement, they don't refer to the sex of any of the officers, except for that bit. They knew that the public would have more sympathy to the situation if it was a female officer that was assaulted as opposed to a man.

The female officers that were assaulted are the only true victims in this situation. The man who had his head kicked and stamped on is both a perpetrator and a victim. I hope he is suitably punished.

The police officer who unnecessarily assaulted someone is not safe to police our streets and should also be charged and tried fairly.

Poppysmom22 · 27/07/2024 20:15

He’s on the floor with his hands cuffed behind his back what was he going to do from that position- I do not care what went before kicking a prone person in the head is inexcusable and certainly as the action of a police officer brings the service into disrepute he d as would face the same criminal charges as everyone else would

AnnieSnap · 27/07/2024 20:16

AllesAusLiebe · 27/07/2024 18:49

I see the full footage has been released. May I invite everyone who believes that this incident occurred to two nice, upstanding family-oriented lads who didn't deserve to be handled roughly to take a look. . . I'll wait.

Nobody has suggested for a moment that these were “nice lads”. What kind of individuals they are is irrelevant. The issue is that a ARMED Police Officer decided to kick a prone, non-threatening detained person in the head, then proceeded to stamp on his head. We are entitled to stable, professional Police. The service is full of ill disciplined thugs as evidenced by repeated cases of disgusting misogyny, racism, homophobia and criminal violence committed by Officers (including murder and rape) over many years.