Greater Manchester Police brutality

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/24/armed-police-officer-filmed-kicking-man-in-face-at-manchester-airport

Sickening behaviour. Surely tasering the man is enough.
He is on the floor tasered so you give him some kickings to the head?

Hope this is properly investigated.
Greater Manchester Police have an awful reputation.

@WowReallysh any confirmation he was the one that broke the female police officer 's nose? I haven't seen any yet, but many posters seem to post as fact that he was personally (and sometimes singularly responsible ) for the assaults against the police officers.

I'll wait until some evidence of this allegation is actually available until I take a position on its veracity. Never know what went on or what the officer may have done to deserve the assault.

What a load of arse juice.

How about whatever you'd be calling for if the roles were reversed and we had a video of the man in blue kicking and stamping on a prone police officer?

By acting totally unprofessionally and giving the thug his "comeuppance", that police officer has caused a massive amount of trouble that could now easily overspill.

Even if you don't care about the brutal kicking of a "thug", you should care about and recognise the fact that bad policing can have a disastrous wider effect.

what the officer may have done to deserve the assault

What do you think justifies a man breaking a woman’s nose?
Does the campaign against VAWG not count if that woman is a police officer?

What happened to these women was horrific but the statements to papers etc from ‘police sources’ to make them look mental is just as bad and the stories told have clearly stuck in people’s minds.

We see it too often with establishments, they have to rush an official statement/story out that by the time the truth is uncovered people have lost interest and made their minds up.

Erm, nope. My post as follows:

And I wouldn’t put much confidence in the womens statements about strip searched until the full facts are available. People in these situations often lie or exaggerate the issue to fit their own agendas

Which clearly references specific to this situation. Note I didnt say 'all'.

Whatever it is that justifies a man stomping on the back of prone man's head I guess?

Were taling about this specific incident. which should be suspension followed by the sacking of the officer once evidence looked at. You?

we're talking

The womens (sic)

Like multiple women who'd been referenced a few posts above your one.

I think you're the only one who's brought strip searching into the airport incident.

Don't be silly....

Again wrong. I didn't introduce strip searching into the post. A previous poster did.

The poster and others supporting the officer seem to think that the behaviour of a victim of violence prior to being assaulted may somehow legitimise an otherwise criminal attack. As they are the ones offering this premise then they should also extend this to the officers prior behaviour and have to accept that without the full facts of that altercation it is possible she may have been the aggressor and the got hurt by someone acting in self defence.

They also seem to think that they can dismiss those relying on video evidence as being manipulated and rushing to judgement with only a portion of the facts.

Yet in the same breath are stating as fact that the men were violent prior to the portion captured on video and that they broke an officers nose (odd that their wait for the full evidence to emerge stance doesn't extend to subjective unverified statements)

If they were acting in good faith that they will wait for the full report then I'd respect that. The fact that people are happy to handwaive away objective video evidence as being only part of the story and being unable to take a position until they have the full facts, but also state with certainty that the men were violent thugs who just it coming shows they're not acting in good faith.

As I said, whatever you'd be calling for if the roles were reversed.

If you think a suspension / sacking is all the man in blue should face if he'd been the one stamping on someone's head then you do you.

Police shouldn't be above the law just because they're police.

The strip searching is relevant to the discussion because it shows a toxic culture within GMB.

There are always going to be bad apples in policing or any other profession but when it is part of a culture then it’s really bad. I reckon if those videos hadn’t come out, there’s a chance that the other officers would have lied about what happened.

Honestly, I’d love to have your confidence in the police discipline system.

Mary Ellen Bettley-Smith.

But this didn't involve any family members, and it did involve an armed police officer who has taken an oath to uphold the law. Ask any sensible person whether they think the police should have a right to give into the occasional urge to hit people a bit and the answer will be utterly obvious.

I totally agree. What we know is this man either lost control and or thought it was acceptable to kick and stamp on a man's head who at that point was not a risk to him. We have laws in place to protect us from people like this and clear evidence of assault here. Or are all armed officers OK to assault/murder/steal ect from people who have previously wronged them?

I know of someone who got 12 years for a similar attack, charge was attempted murder. He got in one more kick though

So, suppose this was you. A police officer genuinely believes you are a thug and has therefore kicked you in the head and stamped on your head. On your reasoning, that's absolutely fine. Is it? Even if you are innocent but he hasn't taken the time to check his facts before kicking?

Was it still just a “human response” when they went on to pepper spray two bystanders, followed by getting one in a headlock because they were filming the incident and saying words to the effect of ”you can’t do that”?

Every time something like this happens, the social contract is undermined, and policing by consent is made harder.

Police feeling embattled, misunderstood, and increasingly under scrutiny and under siege, seeking to defend, and explain away such actions, does nothing to help mitigate such erosion.

For myself, at first glance, I cannot see how this can be justified as reasonable force.

However, I'm prepared to accept an independent inquiry that receives all evidence and witness statements, and that independent inquiry's outcomes.

Police are not intended to decide guilt, and carry out sentencing. They are there to uphold the law, and detain and present alleged wrongdoers for determination of guilt and sentencing.

They certainly are not there to vent their spleen with their boots on an available target's head.

The police seemed to have lost control here. I don't believe the two brothers have been charged with assault so I am not sure I believe that the two of them were responsible for knocking four officers to the ground and breaking one of their noses. It would not surprise me if this turns out to be untrue. What I did see is extremely aggressive police tactics, including pepper spraying someone in the face because they didn't like them filming, the head-kicking and kicking and assaulting the older brother who did not appear to be presenting a threat. There seemed to be about six police officers and two main suspects so why on earth could they not calmly deal with them - why scream and shout at bystanders, pepper-spray them and then kick someone who was no threat in the head?