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Admitting to killing his sister and getting away with it

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SouthernFashionista · 23/07/2024 22:29

I could weep after reading this. But mostly I’m just angry. How in gods name has this happened? I know some don’t like DM links but the facts are that a man punched his sister in the head, killing her, and admitted doing so yet will face no charges. Sickening.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13664507/Girl-11-died-punched-heat-moment-half-brother-not-face-charges.html

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WillimNot · 24/07/2024 06:49

Another sign that females are of no importance.

The fact the parents would not allow anyone in authority to speak to their other children speaks volumes. Why no social services intervention in that detail?

I remember my DS got the arse when he was about 6 and phoned 999, drop calling. Police turned up and I apologised profusely and explained he was ND.

They didn't want to hear from me I had to get both DC to speak to two very pushy police officers, which ended up upsetting DS (who never called again).

They didn't take a no from me and no one had been killed in our house, so why was this family allowed to deny access to their DC?

It's manslaughter at the very least. And the parents should be charged with causing or allowing the death of a child surely?

No justice for this poor child.

lollipoprainbow · 24/07/2024 06:58

Bagpuss2022 · 24/07/2024 00:33

Absolutely disgusting poor poor girl also why are the two younger children not being removed by SS? Surly they are a danger their sister was killed by a adult brother.

You saw what happened in hare hills recently?? There's no way police or ss are going to risk another riot.

YouJustDoYou · 24/07/2024 07:04

And the fact that the family protected their precious son, and were allowed to do so. Guess the police know the community will round on them and riot like the other lot did. No justice at all for that poor little girl, and her family are pieces of shit.

TemuSpecialBuy · 24/07/2024 07:11

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Bugsbunnycoco · 24/07/2024 07:14

I highly doubt that it’s due to fear of “Racism” How can there be a fear of being accused of racism if racism still exists?

Chester23 · 24/07/2024 07:15

This makes no sense to me. Why would it matter if they think there was a medical condition?

Where I live someone hit someone. He ended up in hospital and he had a known medical condition. They guy that hit him admitted to hitting him. Unfortunately this guy passed away in hospital. The charge was changed to manslaughter and he's in prison.

Is this not the same situation but it's a child?

Natsku · 24/07/2024 07:17

I also don't understand why they aren't prosecuting. He confessed in writing, surely that alone is enough to take it to prosecution?!
And its unbelievable that the police can be prevented from speaking to the two witnesses

NigelHarmansNewWife · 24/07/2024 07:17

I hope the new Home Secretary has another look at this case.

pilates · 24/07/2024 07:19

Another girl who doesn't matter to muslim men.
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This

Disgusting

NigelHarmansNewWife · 24/07/2024 07:20

I'm an idiot - just read that the police have reopened the case. Sounds as though this is thanks to the coroner's diligence.

SouthernFashionista · 24/07/2024 07:23

Is there anything that we can do?

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Naddd · 23/07/2024 23:03

I have just read this absolutely abhorrent. I initially thought it was another child that was the perpetrator. Not a grown adult.
That poor child.
Not a fan of that rag, but the family are basically covering it up is the gist of it.
Glad it's been reported.
He's the half brother so a step child to one of the parents. Why would a step parent help to cover up their own childs murder?
He has admitted it in text messages. Why are the police/cps not pursuing this??

"Not a fan of this rag"? Would you be OK if the Guardian had reported it? It hasn't BTW.

timenowplease · 24/07/2024 07:37

Two tier policing. They have his own admission that he punched her.

Muslim girls are disposable.

theugly5 · 24/07/2024 07:43

I thought the story sounded suspicious right from the start - I remember it being reported then as she had ‘fainted’ and hit her head which seemed such an unlikely freak accident www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12122939/amp/Family-pay-tribute-girl-11-died-fainting-hitting-head-bathroom.html

Bromptotoo · 24/07/2024 07:44

From a factual point of view.....

To prosecute the CPS need to believe there's a greater than 50% chance of securing a conviction.

The fact she may have been hit by the door, medical evidence that underlying condition, the fact that it was three weeks before she died and the family's apparent reluctance to give evidence or allow minor children to be interviewed all mean the 50% test is not satisfied.

timenowplease · 24/07/2024 07:50

Bromptotoo · 24/07/2024 07:44

From a factual point of view.....

To prosecute the CPS need to believe there's a greater than 50% chance of securing a conviction.

The fact she may have been hit by the door, medical evidence that underlying condition, the fact that it was three weeks before she died and the family's apparent reluctance to give evidence or allow minor children to be interviewed all mean the 50% test is not satisfied.

They have a clear admission of guilt in his own words that a grown man punched a child in the head and she collapsed afterward, as well as other phone evidence. The fact that the family didn't cooperate with officers should also be a red flag.

One punch man-slaughter/murders are very common. They usually take place outside pubs and they always get prosecuted.

MintyCedric · 24/07/2024 07:54

The should be charging her so called parents with perverting the course of justice as well.

FFS.

nothingcomestonothing · 24/07/2024 07:54

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This.

It's bad enough that that poor little girl's family value her life so cheaply, but apparently the CPS do too. Many men have been prosecuted for drunken fights or road rage incidents etc which have resulted in deaths, no matter if there were underlying medical conditions or reduced capacity of the killer or whatever else. So why does the CPS not prosecute a man who admitted hitting a child for no reason?

OffMyDahlias · 24/07/2024 08:07

Usually in a case like this the family of the victim push for sentencing. Obviously that’s not happening in this case.

diktat · 24/07/2024 08:08

This is heartbreaking. My brother was 12 years older me than me, I grew up scared of him. He slapped me with such force once for being late getting out of school. One punch on the face from him would have seriously hurt me.

Rest in peace, Falaq.

Unknownsecret · 24/07/2024 08:08

That’s an horrific read from beginning to end … the half brother AND her parents are all responsible! Her father immediately lied in the 999 call, failed his daughter and backed up the half brother 😟 That poor beautiful girl .. those poor siblings who witnessed it all 🥺

diktat · 24/07/2024 08:11

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Please don’t turn this into an opportunity to be racist to Muslims. This is about another little girl let down by her family and the justice system.

Did you say another child that doesn’t matter to Christians when Star Hobson, Arthur Labinjo Hughes, Victoria Climbié and many other kids were killed?

Bromptotoo · 24/07/2024 08:14

He apparently admitted it in texts to his girlfriend. They would have some value in court but a jury would hear it in a context of other evidence that would put the causal link between the alleged punch and the girl's death in doubt.

He went .'no comment' at police interview and may well have, as is his right, refused to take the stand at trial.

I understand the analogy with pub brawls where somebody bangs their head on a kerb or whatever and they're charged with manslaughter. Causal link there is crystal clear.

It's been said before that the difference between manslaughter and man's laughter is merely a bit of punctuation.

Hard cases, either way, are why we have a system to decide what get's prosecuted.

LordPercyPercy · 24/07/2024 08:16

Did you say another child that doesn’t matter to Christians when Star Hobson, Arthur Labinjo Hughes, Victoria Climbié and many other kids were killed?

Their killers were prosecuted.

DreamlandFable · 24/07/2024 08:17

What a joke this country has become. It seems that no-one is held accountable for anything anymore. What else has this murderer and his family gotten away with? He must be walking around thinking he’s untouchable.

That poor 11 year old girl was not ‘screaming her head off’ for nothing. She must have been terrified.