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My dh has been messaging a colleague. Please can I have some practical and moral support

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PleaseVipersHelpMe · 22/07/2024 15:25

NC but been here forever. Not really sure why as he would recognise the whole thing in an instant but I need the help and I’d rather he didn’t know. Please can I ask for some support?

I’m on holiday and finally plucked to the courage to ask my dh to let me see his phone. Told him it’s because I was feeling jealous of this woman (true). He let me, but obviously didn’t realise that he has to delete his deleted messages from the recently deleted file and I found quite a lot but only up till about 3 months ago, nothing before. Him telling her that he misses her. Texting when he was away telling me how much he misses me. Telling her that she’s one of the greatest people he has ever met. That he wants her in his life. Then arranging to pick her up from her house on his mid-life crisis car that i stupidly encouraged him to treat himself to. I feel so fucking stupid.

I took screenshots of everything and send them to myself but he’s insisting that nothing happened, that she was just his friend and he’s crossed the line but no affair. I haven’t found anything in emails or what’s app either. Is there anywhere else I can check without alerting him. I have full access to bank accounts and nothing untoward there so far but we don’t have online banking for one account (I can check that when I get home).

I feel so betrayed but the fact that he’s lying to me is worse. He’s treating me like an idiot. He insinuated in the texts that he was going to get her a company car but is saying he hasn’t actually done it. Funnily enough emails seem to be missing re this. He’s clearly been deleting calls from his call log but I don’t know whew do look to find them and I’m pretty sure they will be all gone now if not before. I know he’s lying is there anywhere I can look to find evidence of this? He won’t let me have the phone without him being there now.

I know it won’t make me feel better but it will make me feel like I’ve outsmarted him a bit and I wave him to feel as on edge as I do. I feel like I’ve been punched in the stomach and I’m trying to be normal for the kids but I’ve just been sick. I’m supposed to go out for fucking dinner with them all now and be normal. I‘m trying so hard to not upset the kids, they deserve better. This is horrendous. I’ve honestly told so many women on here what to do in this situation but I can’t believe this has happened to me. How could he do this. Any why does he think that shagging her is worse than lying to me? Thanks in advance for any help, and for reading ny ridiculous essay. I will respond to and replies as and when I can after dinner.

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PleaseVipersHelpMe · 23/07/2024 10:45

Rhaidimiddim · 23/07/2024 10:41

You tell them the truth. You don't have to lay it on thick, just tell them as much as you think they need to hear about what he did and thecrasons for your reaction. They'll find out soon enough and, if you haven't been straight with them, they'll see you as a liar too.

And be sure that he will tell them a version of events that won't do you any favours.

Thank you, I hadn’t actually thought that they might consider me a liar for trying to protect them. I will speak to them when we get home unless it comes up here.

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TheLastTimeEver · 23/07/2024 10:46

@PleaseVipersHelpMe - so sorry for all you are going through.

Just to say in terms of more kids / your DH not wanting more. Never be too sure on that front. When my marriage broke down (not cheating) 3 kids v late teens I’d have sworn blind he’d never want to go back and do the kids thing again. He’d even always said that to me etc.

He was always banging on about the intense burden of school fees etc.etc. But sure enough he ended up v quickly in a very intense and toxic relationship with a mid30s woman and babies were on the cards there v quickly. Despite the fact that neither were equipped to look after themselves frankly never mind a bloody baby. It ultimately turned out not to happen - thankfully for my kids and any poor offspring of theirs. But it really opened my eyes to why men second time around DO so often end up with these second families (and look ridiculous ime).

I can just imagine this woman convincing him if they did end up together.

Rhaidimiddim · 23/07/2024 10:52

honestyISkind · 23/07/2024 04:16

This. Just tell people the truth. He's a liar and will trash you behind your back. You don't owe him any loyalty and everyone should be warned what he's like. Not saying rant and rave or use family as a therapist but don't be tricked into supporting a bullshit version of him. He's disloyal. No need to lie for him.

Excellent advice.

PleaseVipersHelpMe · 23/07/2024 10:59

TheLastTimeEver · 23/07/2024 10:46

@PleaseVipersHelpMe - so sorry for all you are going through.

Just to say in terms of more kids / your DH not wanting more. Never be too sure on that front. When my marriage broke down (not cheating) 3 kids v late teens I’d have sworn blind he’d never want to go back and do the kids thing again. He’d even always said that to me etc.

He was always banging on about the intense burden of school fees etc.etc. But sure enough he ended up v quickly in a very intense and toxic relationship with a mid30s woman and babies were on the cards there v quickly. Despite the fact that neither were equipped to look after themselves frankly never mind a bloody baby. It ultimately turned out not to happen - thankfully for my kids and any poor offspring of theirs. But it really opened my eyes to why men second time around DO so often end up with these second families (and look ridiculous ime).

I can just imagine this woman convincing him if they did end up together.

Dh has actually had a vasectomy (his call, not mine). Obviously I know they can be reversed but that would be a strong statement of intent given that he chose that option in the first place.

If they did have a child our kids would be mortified so I’m just not sure he would do that to them. Although as we have established I don’t know him as well as I thought so I could be mistaken. Being honest it would sting a bit as I always wanted another.

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Cookiecrumblepie · 23/07/2024 11:08

I agree with telling your kids the truth. Do not protect your husband. He doesnt give a shit about hurting your children, they need to know that. The consequences are a result of his actions, not yours.

PleaseVipersHelpMe · 23/07/2024 11:17

Cookiecrumblepie · 23/07/2024 11:08

I agree with telling your kids the truth. Do not protect your husband. He doesnt give a shit about hurting your children, they need to know that. The consequences are a result of his actions, not yours.

Thank you, I won’t hide what he’s done. I know he caused this but it’s so difficult knowing that they will be hurt, even though it’s not my fault.

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ThatsCute · 23/07/2024 11:24

PleaseVipersHelpMe · 23/07/2024 10:37

Thank you I wasn’t aware of this. It is his business and we will have to see whether or not dh chooses to do this. His next actions will speak volumes but I’m being very careful not to prompt anything. He needs to decide the next moves without me telling him what to do if it’s to mean anything. I would feel much more comfortable if she did leave (with a decent sum to cushion the blow) even though I’m not planning to stay in the marriage. I know it’s petty but I can’t help it.

I’m almost as angry with her as with him at times although I do feel that is a little unfair, but she’s been with the business for several years and it seems wrong that she should start again with nothing. This would be a good solution for all of us, even if they did continue their relationship. As you said you shouldn’t shit where you eat and I’m surprised they gave both been so unprofessional.

Don’t feel bad for the OW. She was fully aware that DH was married, yet she chose to carry on with him. She’s a grown woman in her 30s who is aware of what marriage means. She made the choice to fuck around with the boss. Anyone with half of a brain knows that fucking around with the married boss can have a detrimental consequence on their career within the organization.

ThatsCute · 23/07/2024 11:30

PleaseVipersHelpMe · 23/07/2024 10:43

Thank you for the great advice. My nerves are shot and I keep veering from furious to sad to disappointed. It definitely isn’t the time to make any rash decisions but I can’t see a way to forgive and move past this. We’ve had our ups and downs like everyone else but I didn’t think he would ever hurt me like this.

That would be a good way to explain it and I think you’re right. Honestly is the best policy and the one thing I am set on is that he has to move out when we get home. I need space to think and I’d be interested to see where he goes. That would be a good time to raise the issue, although I am fully expecting the ‘I made one silly mistake and mum gave up on us’. Or worse, telling them I got it wrong and I won’t listen to reason. I will be ready. Thank you again.

If he spins the ‘I made one silly mistake and mum gave up on us’ routine, you can rest assured that you’re modelling ‘I won’t put up with being cheated on’ behaviours.

Was it ‘one mistake’ though? If we add up all of the texts and encounters, what is the actual total? Not ‘one’. If he spins that rhetoric, you need to be able to respond with, ‘Actually, it wasn’t one mistake, it was a series of (insert number here) mistakes, which were then lied about / covered up.’

Blondiebeachbabe · 23/07/2024 11:51

Aw mate, this sucks. I would just breathe for now. You don't need to be devising plans, or getting ducks in a row. Just take a breath. I think I would be trying to evaluate everything calmly, the pro's and con's of him. Is he good in every other way? Is this just a stupid mistake because (maybe), you and he had gotten off track? Not that that would excuse anything, but I think I'd be more forgiving if that were the case. How was your relationship before this? Were you close? Had you drifted? Maybe this could be a wake up call for both of you? I think his actions going forward will also speak volumes. If you are in love, it's worth taking stock.

My own situation was similar - well worse actually. I found out 16 years in, that he had been cheating on me for our whole relationship. Someone told me at a party, in front of all my friends, when I was tipsy. It could not have been more mortifying. tbh. He was the only man I'd ever been with, we had 2 kids and the perfect life. I actually stayed for another 4 years, trying to make it work, but he didn't stop his sleazy behaviour, so I did end up leaving. By that time, we had been together for 20 years, so I didn't take the decision lightly. It's very easy to say LTB on here, but real life is far more complicated than that. I met someone fairy shortly afterwards, and we are still together now (married) and have been for 16 years. He doesn't act like ExH around women at all.

A close friend of mine discovered her DH's full blown affair. It had gone on for 6 months, with them having sex almost every day in that time. When it was discovered, he dropped OW like a stone, and has never strayed since. They are still together (25 years later!), and very, very happy.

In summary, this could go either way, but in any case, there is no rush to blow your lives apart immediately. I think you need a really long and honest chat with him. Not sure if you could engineer that on this holiday?

Big hugs. Flowers

PleaseVipersHelpMe · 23/07/2024 11:55

ThatsCute · 23/07/2024 11:24

Don’t feel bad for the OW. She was fully aware that DH was married, yet she chose to carry on with him. She’s a grown woman in her 30s who is aware of what marriage means. She made the choice to fuck around with the boss. Anyone with half of a brain knows that fucking around with the married boss can have a detrimental consequence on their career within the organization.

Yes this is very true and she’s quite switched on so she would have understood the impact on her career. She’s middle management so not business critical but she is well thought of. This is why I wouldn’t have expected this from her.

My sympathy is because he also chose to fuck around with a subordinate (which in itself is divorce-worthy as it was so fucking stupid and reckless) and he will likely suffer no consequences when I feel that he holds more culpability than her. Although I’m still not going to be rushing to forgive her either.

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PleaseVipersHelpMe · 23/07/2024 12:09

ThatsCute · 23/07/2024 11:30

If he spins the ‘I made one silly mistake and mum gave up on us’ routine, you can rest assured that you’re modelling ‘I won’t put up with being cheated on’ behaviours.

Was it ‘one mistake’ though? If we add up all of the texts and encounters, what is the actual total? Not ‘one’. If he spins that rhetoric, you need to be able to respond with, ‘Actually, it wasn’t one mistake, it was a series of (insert number here) mistakes, which were then lied about / covered up.’

This is a good way to look at it. Just shy of 300 messages. Can’t check phone calls as he was clever enough to delete those. I’m told only one meeting and that is all that’s shown in the messages but who knows if there were more. I don’t want to tell them all of this but I may make it clear to him beforehand that if he tries to spin it I will. Thank you.

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Cookiecrumblepie · 23/07/2024 12:13

OP my only other thought is your daughter’s GCSEs. And whether you should wait until they’re done before disclosing to her, or maybe thinking through the best way of handling this to ensure her GCSEs aren’t affected (if possible).

ThatsCute · 23/07/2024 12:13

PleaseVipersHelpMe · 23/07/2024 12:09

This is a good way to look at it. Just shy of 300 messages. Can’t check phone calls as he was clever enough to delete those. I’m told only one meeting and that is all that’s shown in the messages but who knows if there were more. I don’t want to tell them all of this but I may make it clear to him beforehand that if he tries to spin it I will. Thank you.

There you go. 300 mistakes is not ‘one mistake’. He cannot gaslight your children with that rhetoric.

Buildingthefuture · 23/07/2024 12:19

If it’s his own business he can certainly get copies of all phone bills to show you, can’t he now? And, as an aside I very much doubt this woman will be “well thought of”. Neither of them will be, because no matter how discreet they think they’ve been, other people at work WILL have noticed and will judge them accordingly. He really is an utter moron, they both are.

PleaseVipersHelpMe · 23/07/2024 12:33

Blondiebeachbabe · 23/07/2024 11:51

Aw mate, this sucks. I would just breathe for now. You don't need to be devising plans, or getting ducks in a row. Just take a breath. I think I would be trying to evaluate everything calmly, the pro's and con's of him. Is he good in every other way? Is this just a stupid mistake because (maybe), you and he had gotten off track? Not that that would excuse anything, but I think I'd be more forgiving if that were the case. How was your relationship before this? Were you close? Had you drifted? Maybe this could be a wake up call for both of you? I think his actions going forward will also speak volumes. If you are in love, it's worth taking stock.

My own situation was similar - well worse actually. I found out 16 years in, that he had been cheating on me for our whole relationship. Someone told me at a party, in front of all my friends, when I was tipsy. It could not have been more mortifying. tbh. He was the only man I'd ever been with, we had 2 kids and the perfect life. I actually stayed for another 4 years, trying to make it work, but he didn't stop his sleazy behaviour, so I did end up leaving. By that time, we had been together for 20 years, so I didn't take the decision lightly. It's very easy to say LTB on here, but real life is far more complicated than that. I met someone fairy shortly afterwards, and we are still together now (married) and have been for 16 years. He doesn't act like ExH around women at all.

A close friend of mine discovered her DH's full blown affair. It had gone on for 6 months, with them having sex almost every day in that time. When it was discovered, he dropped OW like a stone, and has never strayed since. They are still together (25 years later!), and very, very happy.

In summary, this could go either way, but in any case, there is no rush to blow your lives apart immediately. I think you need a really long and honest chat with him. Not sure if you could engineer that on this holiday?

Big hugs. Flowers

Thank you for this perspective and for sharing your story. I’m sorry that happened and I hope you’re ok now.

I do love him so much, I have genuinely in all these years never stopped and in truth he is usually amazing. We definitely have drifted a little due to being so busy. This is why we’ve been so focused on getting through the next few years until the kids are safely off at uni and we can have some time back. It seems this was the wrong approach.

I should point out that with ds’s A’ levels, work and dd I have been far too busy to even contemplate an affair, let alone be sending multiple messages and phone calls and picking her up at her bloody home an hour away during work hours (where I’m told he’s always swamped).

Im also just so hurt at the things he said to her and this is what I think would stop me from moving forward with him. I just can’t get over seeing the way he spoke to her. Also the denials and the constant ‘I don’t know why I said that’, ‘I wish I could tell you but I can’t explain it I was an idiot’ and ‘She meant nothing to me’. It really didn’t seem like that at all, it seems as though he was devoted to her from the messages.

He has just said, unprompted, that she will be leaving the business as soon as possible. But as I replied - how would I know? She mainly works from home due to moving in Covid with minimal office tasks so I wouldn’t necessarily see her if I called in (not that I often do, I’m busy with my own job), so he could quite easily keep her at home and not tell me. After all he has form now. And this is why I don’t think i can move on. Because I don’t actually believe a word he says.

I’m sorry for the rant - you are quite right now isn’t the time to be making decisions and I do need to wait and see what he does but I’m still bloody furious at the tosser and I’m not sure I will ever get past that. He’s ruined everything.

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40somethingme · 23/07/2024 13:03

PleaseVipersHelpMe · 22/07/2024 19:51

Thank you for this.

Dh says that he’s sorry and he made a huge mistake, that he never would have actually cheated. That he realised when I confronted him about the car what a dickhesd he had been which is why he was being nicer to me to try and make up for it.

But in this case she definitely wasn’t throwing herself at him, although she was responding and encouraging. He was the one telling her all the things he used to say to me. Some that he hadn’t said to me for a long time. I don’t want to be even more outing by repeating the worst text but it hurt more than I can say. I’m not sure that he can make up for that to be honest. I think the intent was there whether it happened or not.

So you basically caught your DH in the early stages of pursuing another woman with the intent to become romantically involved.
I think if you look at this (early stages) affair as a timeline you have probably discovered it just before it was about to become physical…unless they have already kissed, slept together in the last two weeks since she first gave him her address. If you waited another few weeks it would have probably been a very different story. I honestly think you have the worst scenario in terms of having to make a decision now because technically he hasn’t yet gone into a full blown affair mode but at the same time knowing that your husband was fully intending and actively pursuing something more with another woman. It’s only the timing that stopped it. It’s a horrible thing to know and to be the one to now have to decide whether you can live with this knowledge.
And the other issue is them working together -surely if you decide to stay with him you wouldn’t want him working with her ?

TheLastTimeEver · 23/07/2024 13:42

I think it’s worth remembering that there is a 3 month cut off to the deleted messages in the deleted messages folder on his phone. So there may have been way more messages that deleted out of the deleted folder automatically after that time. (I know my deleted photos delete fully after a certain time). Have you checked his deleted photos folder and any hidden apps? (Battery usage can be a good way to show up stuff like that).

Lunab18 · 23/07/2024 14:54

Hi OP, I’m so sorry you are going through this.
I went through something similar in 2013 when my then husband had an emotional affair with a colleague (I suspect more than emotional and some messages did suggest this). We tried to work through it, I thought I could forgive and forget and I really did try to. We started together but I never trusted him. He let me down again with other secrets although not affairs but even in marriage counselling couldn’t tell me why he did it. Ultimately we split up and divorced although I wish I’d have done it years earlier because things were never the same.
My kids coped fine and I am now re-married so a wonderful man.

AmberExpert · 23/07/2024 21:25

No words of wisdom, but wanted to say I'm sending you a big unmumsnetty hug. I split with my partner 3 months ago, we weren't married and hadn't been together as long as you and DH and we'd no kids, but he was having an inappropriate relationship/friendship with our neighbour. Lots of texting from both sides, lies and lots of time spent together. I left, and its tough, but I couldn't live with the constant anxiety and distrust. It would have finished me off. I was at rock bottom. The only way us up.
Thinking about you x

Thefsm · 23/07/2024 21:32

No ad ice only sympathy. I found out my husband was cheating on me with a colleague two years ago at Xmas n vacation with his family. Read all the texts etc he didn’t realize were popping up on the laptop he left in the room with me.

two years later and everything is broken. Even though the affair ended that day I found out, he hasn’t returned to me, we just cohabit the same house and it’s like have a room mate. I wish I was brave enough to make him leave me. I wish we had options. But most of all I just wish we could put it behind us and go back to being in love again.

dont drag things out like I have. If you can’t forgive an affair then make it clear from the outset. And don’t be listening to anyone saying this wasn’t cheating - an emotional affair is just as real as a sexual one.

honestyISkind · 23/07/2024 23:43

PleaseVipersHelpMe · 23/07/2024 10:59

Dh has actually had a vasectomy (his call, not mine). Obviously I know they can be reversed but that would be a strong statement of intent given that he chose that option in the first place.

If they did have a child our kids would be mortified so I’m just not sure he would do that to them. Although as we have established I don’t know him as well as I thought so I could be mistaken. Being honest it would sting a bit as I always wanted another.

Please don't make the mistake of ever thinking he wouldn't hurt your kids to please himself. He already has. If it becomes more convenient for him, he'll brush your kids aside too.

TheLastTimeEver · 24/07/2024 12:46

Hope you’re going ok @PleaseVipersHelpMe it’s shit he’s putting you through this

Ponoka7 · 24/07/2024 14:52

To all the women on this thread who think that it's a positive that the OW was dumped without a backwards glance and in the OPs case, she'll lose her job (which sums up the patriarchy nicely), how do you then have any respect for the cheater?
OP guard against him stringing you along enough to eventually fuck you over in a divorce and get mirror wills to protect your children because there us a possibility of step children in the future if he is chasing younger women.

PleaseVipersHelpMe · 24/07/2024 21:56

Thank you all so much for your help and advice. I’ve been keeping busy with the kids but your kind and wise words are helping me so much. I can’t tell you how much I have appreciate your support.

So I have a little bit more info but it’s a long story. The last couple of days have been ok. Don’t get me wrong I’m still furious and sad and up and down but I’ve been functioning. I’m still struggling to eat (silver linings eh!) but I managed to get some sleep last night although I woke at 6an this morning shaking with anger, so I decided to put it to good use at the gym which really helped.

Dh text while I was finishing up asking if I wanted a coffee so I met him there. We ended up having a real heart to heart. I got everything off my chest, no holds barred and so did he. I have to admit that I haven’t been the best wife this past year or so, and I can see how we got to where we are. That’s not excusing him, god knows he’s not been the best husband but I managed not to go looking for a younger model.

He opened up more about his reasons. Apparently he just wanted to prove he could have her if he wanted but he didn’t actually want an affair. He is still saying that he didn’t even fancy her (lies) and that he never touched her (probably not lies due to lack of opportunity). Most importantly he let me look through the messages again.

When I first saw the messages I was obviously in shock, physically shaking, trying not to alert the kids and dh was looking on in a similar state so while I got screenshots of the main things, I hadn’t paid much attention to the context. On second look, while there is definite pushing of boundaries in terms of jokes and pictures etc, all of the earlier messages are ambiguously friendly. What I noticed this time is a clear turning point at the beginning of this month where the messages went from (too) friendly to ‘You’re great, you’re awesome, of course I’ll pick you up in my flash knobhead mid-life crisis car’ etc. it then escalated quickly over only just over 2 weeks.

I asked him why he suddenly jumped in then, and he brought up a horrendous argument we had. It’s too outing to say what about but it was actually my fault - I did something without thinking that upset him. However I apologised profusely, genuinely tried to make amends and thought we had sorted it. I’ve obviously told him that I’m not accepting blame for this at all, and things had been too close for comfort before that but I believe that it pushed him over the edge (or gave him an excuse).

Anyway, we hashed a load of stuff our. We both cried (I stayed strong and there were no cuddles this time you’ll be pleased to hear). He told me how embarrassed he is over the messages and the way he’s behaved and he didn’t mean to hurt me, I called him a stupid pathetic twat. It was heartbreaking and devastating and cathartic, an overall really good talk and even though I’m not on the way to forgiveness yet, I did feel that there may be some hope of us working through this. I did ask if there was anything else that he needed to tell me, particularly concerning a second car that was vaguely mentioned as a joke in a text (you’ll have a two car month, something like that). She doesn’t have a company car so I outright asked if he’d said he would get her one (to replace oolleagues old flash one that she’s currently driving). He said absolutely not, it was just a joke. I then told him that he needed to be honest, and if I found out that he’d lied again about anything that would be game over. He said there were no more lies.

He didn’t actually realise that in amongst those messages was his outlook password that she’d sent him via text and I’ noticed it was the same one he used for everything. So now that dd is asleep I’ve just logged into his outlook. As expected there was nothing in the normal file or deleted but I checked the recover from server folder where I managed to recover an email deleted the day I found out from her but to the company car people adding another car to their next order. Sent on the same day as the text. The fucking tech incompetent dickhead lied again. Interestingly, that’s the only thing I found. There are hundreds of emails, as you’d expect, but nothing even overly friendly in them. They are all 100% professional and nothing untoward in the recovery folder. So it looks like it was just text and phone calls.

I’m so torn as I did mainly believe him earlier. I know him well enough to know why he’s lying about the car - because it’s a fucking loser move bribing your potential girlfriend with a new ride - but I’m still fucking furious. Why can’t he just tell me the truth even now? I already know he’s been a tossser. The car makes no difference at all but the fucking lying does. Honestly I’m just exhausted with it all but I know there’s no hope of sleep again now.

I can’t even decide whether to tell him what I know. I’m not even sure it’s worth risking more lies. Why did he have to lie about this? There was nothing else in there to find. I thought I’d see restaurant bookings or lovey mails but nothing. Just the bloody car evidence. If only he hadn’t lied.

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PleaseVipersHelpMe · 24/07/2024 22:03

Cookiecrumblepie · 23/07/2024 12:13

OP my only other thought is your daughter’s GCSEs. And whether you should wait until they’re done before disclosing to her, or maybe thinking through the best way of handling this to ensure her GCSEs aren’t affected (if possible).

This is ny concern too. Dd is my absolute priority in all this and the one that I worry about the most. Ds is pretty laid back and off to uni in Sept. He’ll be shocked and sad but in reality it won’t affect him too much. Dd is very sensitive, has had some minor mental health issues, doesn’t cope well with change and is in therapy. She loves her dad and he is her best friend and greatest support. She wouldn’t cope without him. As much as it breaks my heart to say it, I think she’d be happier if I left. I would do anything to protect her from this but I can’t see a way to staying in the same house without bloody throttling him. It’s so difficult.

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