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My dh has been messaging a colleague. Please can I have some practical and moral support

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PleaseVipersHelpMe · 22/07/2024 15:25

NC but been here forever. Not really sure why as he would recognise the whole thing in an instant but I need the help and I’d rather he didn’t know. Please can I ask for some support?

I’m on holiday and finally plucked to the courage to ask my dh to let me see his phone. Told him it’s because I was feeling jealous of this woman (true). He let me, but obviously didn’t realise that he has to delete his deleted messages from the recently deleted file and I found quite a lot but only up till about 3 months ago, nothing before. Him telling her that he misses her. Texting when he was away telling me how much he misses me. Telling her that she’s one of the greatest people he has ever met. That he wants her in his life. Then arranging to pick her up from her house on his mid-life crisis car that i stupidly encouraged him to treat himself to. I feel so fucking stupid.

I took screenshots of everything and send them to myself but he’s insisting that nothing happened, that she was just his friend and he’s crossed the line but no affair. I haven’t found anything in emails or what’s app either. Is there anywhere else I can check without alerting him. I have full access to bank accounts and nothing untoward there so far but we don’t have online banking for one account (I can check that when I get home).

I feel so betrayed but the fact that he’s lying to me is worse. He’s treating me like an idiot. He insinuated in the texts that he was going to get her a company car but is saying he hasn’t actually done it. Funnily enough emails seem to be missing re this. He’s clearly been deleting calls from his call log but I don’t know whew do look to find them and I’m pretty sure they will be all gone now if not before. I know he’s lying is there anywhere I can look to find evidence of this? He won’t let me have the phone without him being there now.

I know it won’t make me feel better but it will make me feel like I’ve outsmarted him a bit and I wave him to feel as on edge as I do. I feel like I’ve been punched in the stomach and I’m trying to be normal for the kids but I’ve just been sick. I’m supposed to go out for fucking dinner with them all now and be normal. I‘m trying so hard to not upset the kids, they deserve better. This is horrendous. I’ve honestly told so many women on here what to do in this situation but I can’t believe this has happened to me. How could he do this. Any why does he think that shagging her is worse than lying to me? Thanks in advance for any help, and for reading ny ridiculous essay. I will respond to and replies as and when I can after dinner.

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PleaseVipersHelpMe · 30/07/2024 10:11

Itsamountainof · 30/07/2024 08:16

I've been following this thread and I think you are handling yourself with strength and grace.

I can't help but feel it doesnt matter which way you try and look at it, there's something very wrong with HIM not you marriage. You don't need relationship counselling HE needs to stop living in denial of the person he actually is.

Your DH runs a successful business, successful enough to employ people, provide company cars etc.

You inherited some money and put it into a high interest account for now so it can work for itself.

Your DH has issues with not having free access to this money.

Your DH isn't living in financial abuse from you, his money needs are met by whatever wage he pays himself and you actively encouraged him to treat himself to his midlife crisis car.

Whilst whizzing about in his midwife crisis car, he got SO angry you won't immediately give him access to the inheritance account and sees this as an unforgivable imbalance in your marriage he decided what he needs to do to make himself feel the Big Man or punish you is seduce his younger member of staff with his midlife crisis wagon, promises of very nice company cars and endless emotionally invested messages (of the kind he knows he used to say/send to you and made you very happy/love him)

He believes you and your selfishness with the inheritance and the arguments about it are to blame for his behaviour....

He also believes that what he did to boost his ego because of this to this lack of inheritance access doesn't matter/doesn't count/was nothing because he didn't actually LIKE this younger woman, he was just flexing his flirt muscle to see IF he could get her by saying the things he did and offering a car etc

In his mind only full sexual contact constitutes infidelity or crossing the line. Everything else is on the table, it doesnt matter what you said, what you did with the other person as long as you didn't touch and didn't reeeeally mean it. This OW was just a dartboard he was practising his aim with to prove he can still hit a bullseye.

Therefore, in his eyes, you're making a big deal out of a whole lot of nothing and he's apologised for it so you should accept that and move on. If you insist there's some talking to be done, he will accept examining your MARRIAGE (to see where he needs weren't being met and how you drove him to have to soothe his wounded hurty bits in some way) He refuses to examine himself or actually really think about how his 'target practice' has made anyone else feel, not you, not the OW and not eventually when they found out, you kids. He stole something from you all to feed his own ego.

He can't accept if what he is saying about just saying those thing to the OW but not meaning them (he didn't fancy her, just part of his target practise games), is true, it is just AS BAD as if he did mean them, because its disgusting, nasty, manipulative, user, self serving behaviour. Who can be that entitled to fuck around with other peoples feelings that way purely to blow smoke up his own arse?

Thing is, I think you suspect he did mean them, and this is how he is trying to excuse himself/minimise, but his defence is just as fucking awful, hurtful and horrible and a reflection that there's something wrong with how his brain works and he can't even see that.

Wow, this is a very fair summary of the situati. I hadn’t actually looked at it all in this light. It’s pretty brutal but accurate I feel. Thank you for taking the time to put it together.

To be honest, part of me thinks the money is just an excuse. It’s not an insignificant amount but we’re not struggling to pay the bloody bills so it wouldn’t make a huge difference to us now. It would make a massive difference to the dc in a few years in the form of a house deposit though.

You’re quite right, I do believe that he meant the things he said. He could have got his ego boost without being quite so complimentary and gushing. This morning he told me again that it was because he was angry with me and he just wanted to prove that he could make her like him (and a lot more that I haven’t quite processed enough to share yet), but even that feels too simplistic. I think he liked her. I think she made him feel good and I think he wanted to see where it went. I don’t think he actually thought about me at all.

The thing is, I’m not at all opposed to taking through the issues in our marriage. I just refuse to do so while he’s dti trying to use them as an excuse. I’m only just realising how bad things had got from both sides. He was snappy and grumpy with me and always keen to believe the worst of me. I’ve been surprised and hurt at times by how nasty he has been. I accepted that he was stressed and needed support as that’s what he said to me. But now I know what was really happening.

I told him this morning that with hindsight I can almost pinpoint exactly when things started to change for him by how he was acting towards me. I’ve no evidence but I just know if you see what I mean. But with work and losing my dm and the kids we’ve both had so much going on that I didn’t really look any deeper. But even with all that I never considered starting a flirtation or more with any of my colleagues.

Thznk you again for your thoughts. They have really helped to clarify things in my mind.

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Freeme31 · 30/07/2024 10:13

Hi OP did your husband have a look at "surviving infidelity " website. He should sign in as the betrayer. You say you "think" he knows you will leave him- i think you need to make clear you will definitely leave if he does not start a recovery program (not just counselling that's minimal effort on his part) I agree with previous post that you should not start counselling straight away they try to look at "what's wrong in the marriage " you know that already - your husband took you for granted probably didn't want to leave the marriage but thought he was entitled to have a bit on the side. He needs to look at "why" he thought it was ok to behave the way he did, why he didn't know it was wrong, why he wanted to shag someone else, why knowing it would hurt you he didn't care, why he wanted to risk his whole family life for someone he didn't fancy. He needs to start taking responsibility and should be on his knees begging you for forgiveness and not to leave him. i get he doesn't get the seriousness of an emotional affair but he has to start educating himself or it will happen again - what a twat. Btw you ate doing fantastic what a brave woman you are (certainly not the scrubber type he tried to cheat with)

Izzy54321 · 30/07/2024 10:18

OP first of all I would like to give a huge virtual hug and I’m so sorry this is happening to you. It must be so difficult to be drip fed information and facts. People are so good at this hoping that we won’t discover the full truth. Your husband won’t want your children to know how much he has let you all down and how absolutely awful and selfish he is. To diminish himself in your eyes is different to his beloved children, especially his daughter, as you have said he is her hero. Which is why they try to blame the innocent party.

My exh did this but he had a full blown affair over 2 years. I left immediately and started again. My oldest daughter has never forgiven her father. They do not speak anymore, her choice as an adult. I never bad mouthed him, my children were told by my mother about what happened between he and I. I wish I had told them the truth as previous poster mentioned I looked like a liar to my children, trying to protect them from the hurt. As for the OW she deserves your anger, your dislike and even name calling.
My OW also knew about me and my children, she didn’t care either. So selfish and nasty.

I just want to say I admire your strength immensely. You’re away on a dream holiday and your world must be a place you never thought you would ever be. I would never tell anyone to leave unless there is abuse. The choice is yours even if you leave months or years. Only you know if your husband changes and if you can forgive.

Don't think your life is over either, do not stay for your children. I was alone for a few years after my divorce. I am now happily married to my wonderful husband. There is always hope in the hate and anger.

PleaseVipersHelpMe · 30/07/2024 10:31

UniversalAunt · 30/07/2024 08:30

I have read through since the beginning & @PleaseVipersHelpMe you are doing so well.

So much positive & helpful feedback, yet again I am in awe of MNetters.

Two small comments stood out for me.

’Dh has actually had a vasectomy (his call, not mine)’ I was relived to read this as I had a momentary notion that his colleague preparing for IVF may invite him to be her sperm donor…as a friend. Not an uncommon occurrence, seemingly simple & altruistic, but potentially complex further sown the line.

@PleaseVipersHelpMe One thing you did mention was an Ex or one time suitor getting in touch, & you openly rebuffing him, so your DH has an idea about loyalty & maintaining strong boundaries. I wonder how your DH reacted to another man’s approaches to you? Did he mind, have a sense of unease? We’re you open about the process of rejecting the other man because that is your way or perhaps your DH needed you to show him that he was safe & sound with you in an exclusive relationship?

I wonder about the time line of all these events that you have mentioned: sadly your mother’s death, your one time suitor, the new car etc…& then seemingly the extra curricular engagement with his colleague.

One thing I would do is take a forensic look at the company accounts - you all depend upon the success of the business & it’s viability. It is not unreasonable for peace of mind to know how well the business is doing. I’d do this openly but must admit I would get a copy of the accounts & records beforehand so that I was better prepared & would also know if he was covering up.

Also you want sight of all legal advice & documentation relating to said colleague leaving the business - correspondence, emails, texts, payments made, contracts signed.
If she plays hard ball, you may find out more than he would like to know. After all, she has sight of his emails etc.

Whether you stay together or not is down to you both & will take time to determine. But this whole escapade is going to cost your DH dear in many ways as he has exposed himself now to some forensic scrutiny (from you & Mnetters). Maybe he needs his own counselling to help him understand how he got himself in this fix. Don’t be surprised if the couples counsellor brings this out early on.

MNers are truly amazing. Including you, thank you for the great advice.

Dh was very uneasy about the ex. I just ignored until it became slightly too persistent. Then I sent one reply asking him to please stop contacting me, screenshot that and all of the messages for evidence (he was too persistent in our younger days too and I wasn’t taking that shit this time) and blocked him on every channel. I didn’t initially say anything as I genuinely didn’t think anything of it, I just saw him as a chancer who was about to turn 50 trying his luck with an old flame. But I soon realised I had to tell dh and was able to demonstrate the full timeline and all the messages when I did tell him.

to be fran it had been the most horrendous couple of years of my entire life. I thought we were coming to the end of it and this holiday was supposed to symbolise that. The best laid plans eh.

The company is fine. I have already requested all correspondence, even the stuff I might not want to see.

Hopefully he does decide to attend counselling but this has to be his choice. I just need him to understand and accept responsibility before I can commit fully to working on the marriage. Thank you again.

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PleaseVipersHelpMe · 30/07/2024 10:36

CautiousLurker · 30/07/2024 08:38

Not sure if I am going against the grain here, and will probably be blasted now, but I think you should consider counselling - together and both of you alone before doing anything irreversible. I say this because, despite what others say, your children ARE at very vulnerable times in their lives and if this is ‘no more’ than a fantasy in your DH’s head (none of the texts talk about being in love, I think, from what you’ve said, so I’m not getting the sense of clandestine meetings and steamy clinches in the stockroom, just him sending flowery texts?).

I think, if it genuinely seems as though no contact was made, there is a chance that this was not really about ‘her’ and actually she may not really mean anything to him. If he is having a midlife crisis, if the balance of the marriage has been off because you’ve both been concentrating on work/mortgage the kids’s exams/university, he may have genuinely have felt displaced, or have self esteem issues etc that are at the root of all this. I am not saying that he isn’t a selfish and immature dick, or that what he has done isn’t totally fucked up, BUT if there has been no intimacy - and perhaps she has just been opportunist in milking his attention for that car, for career progression etc - then MAYBE some intensive therapy and a review of what your marriage means to each of you is worth considering before throwing a grenade into your 15yo’s GCSEs or your older DCs first year at university.

I think I’d just caution against a knee jerk response before you’ve both had a chance to talk to a therapist or, even, real life friends who really know you both and have a little more insight than strangers here (however supportive) into where your lives are at and what your marriage is like because they now you both. Some couples do some back from an almost-affair and can even have a stronger marriage for it. Not saying you won’t get to separation and divorce eventually anyway, but taking the gradual, measured path to that would be better for your mental health, a less acrimonious divorce settlement, and eae the children in gently to the new order.

Just my two pence worth.

Edited

Thank you I appreciate your thoughts.

My dc are my primary concern on all of this. I won’t do anything rash without thinking g it through. I’m very aware that I’m not in my ‘right mind’ at the minute and I need to let the dust settle befor committing to anything. It’s just hard when he seems so bloody blade about the whole thing and it’s great to come on her to vent.

Thanks again, I will proceed with caution.

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PleaseVipersHelpMe · 30/07/2024 10:37

lowflyingtitties · 30/07/2024 09:14

I think that if he has to face up to what he’s done then he really is that sad old cliche that has hurt his wife with his mid-life crisis. I don’t think he is ready to accept that he is that man

I think you have hit the nail on its very simple head with this statement. Isn't it mindblowing that he would risk his marriage and daughters stability, expectations of their own relationships in future and general wellbeing because of stupid ego? The same ego that got him into this mess.
I think waiting for the couples counseling is very sensible and never mind you doing it independently, it's him who needs it! As you say, how can he assure you it won't happen again if he doesn't understand the gravity of what he's done? Or refuses to admit to himself what he's done.
I'm rambling but really I just want to say, no matter how difficult this period is or what you decide to do, you will be fine. Your dd's will be fine because of you. You are amazing, do not let his weakness make you forget that. I hope he realises what he stands to lose and let's go of some of the pride that's holding him back.

Thank you so much for this. I hope so too. I need to hear him admit it before I can move on.

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PleaseVipersHelpMe · 30/07/2024 10:41

meatyryvita · 30/07/2024 10:01

Hang on one sec. So because you didn't put your inheritance into the joint account, it was a trigger for him to initiate inappropriate behaviour with another woman? I wonder what it is he will say you have done next in order to justify his inappropriate behaviour?

Quite. My opinion is that he was looking for a trigger - any trigger - and this gave him his excuse to do what he had wanted to do all along.

Thank you for your post.

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PleaseVipersHelpMe · 30/07/2024 10:42

UniversalAunt · 30/07/2024 10:03

@PleaseVipersHelpMe I would also heed the general advice about not making significant life decisions within a year or two after a major bereavement.

Just saying that whatever you do now & medium term, it may be wise to be cautious about making hard & final decisions. Not throw the baby out with the bath water.

Take your time, make your terms.

Thank you so much. I promise I am taking my time and not taking any permanent decisions just yet. I‘m just not ready for that.

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40somethingme · 30/07/2024 10:50

I think you are very brave OP and I wish you all the best. Can I just ask (and ignore me if you don’t want to answer) about the “other” messages he sent her that you haven’t processed yet, that hurt you particularly badly and you are not ready to share here. Is it because you’re worried that what’s in them would change the tone of advice you’re receiving here and you’d be ashamed to potentially stay with him afterwards? You don’t need to reveal them, I’m just asking as I’m conscious there is more and perhaps you’re receiving lots of (good) advice based on an incomplete picture.
I know there are some women who choose not to disclose their husband’s affairs to friends and family due to fear of being judged and I wonder whether this is a similar scenario.
Sending you virtual hugs.

palepinkmermaid · 30/07/2024 10:52

I never post but this post is something else. It shows how great the internet can be when it provides such support from so many inspirational and wise women to an equally inspirational and wise woman. An absolute queen.

I am so sorry about what you are going through @PleaseVipersHelpMe but it feels like it is the end of a cycle and the start of a new one. A good one. Your DH has shown you who he is and you are now going to be showing him who you are. What your boundaries are and your values. You clearly value integrity and fidelity and haven't deserved how you have been treated.

I particularly admire your desire to ensure that the OW is treated fairly. Whether she remains or departs, won't make a difference. Your DH will either be so terrified of her and making a wrong move that it will be awkward and uncomfortable or he won't. Whatever he does is whatever he does.

You are taking your power back (as all Queens do) and are nicely in control.

For me he doesn't sound like he is going to be good enough for you to stay in a relationship with him. I think doing the counselling is so important as it will at the very least help you debrief and make an informed considered choice that you can clearly articulate in years to come.

I'm sorry this happened on holiday but it is often when such things do as there is a bit of calm and stuff that needs to come out, emerges.

I wish you so many good things and much love. You are going to be just fine. We can all see that.

OldMutantDecrepitTurtle · 30/07/2024 11:33

PleaseVipersHelpMe · 30/07/2024 10:41

Quite. My opinion is that he was looking for a trigger - any trigger - and this gave him his excuse to do what he had wanted to do all along.

Thank you for your post.

This is what I think too. He was looking for you to slip up in order to justify his infidelity, framing a narrative that you betrayed him first by putting money in a separate account. What a joke, and shows too that even when planning an affair, he needed to see himself in a good light.

PleaseVipersHelpMe · 30/07/2024 11:52

Freeme31 · 30/07/2024 10:13

Hi OP did your husband have a look at "surviving infidelity " website. He should sign in as the betrayer. You say you "think" he knows you will leave him- i think you need to make clear you will definitely leave if he does not start a recovery program (not just counselling that's minimal effort on his part) I agree with previous post that you should not start counselling straight away they try to look at "what's wrong in the marriage " you know that already - your husband took you for granted probably didn't want to leave the marriage but thought he was entitled to have a bit on the side. He needs to look at "why" he thought it was ok to behave the way he did, why he didn't know it was wrong, why he wanted to shag someone else, why knowing it would hurt you he didn't care, why he wanted to risk his whole family life for someone he didn't fancy. He needs to start taking responsibility and should be on his knees begging you for forgiveness and not to leave him. i get he doesn't get the seriousness of an emotional affair but he has to start educating himself or it will happen again - what a twat. Btw you ate doing fantastic what a brave woman you are (certainly not the scrubber type he tried to cheat with)

He has actually just sent me a screenshot of a paragraph that he thinks describes his reasoning. I feel it is apt. All might not be lost but you are right - He needs to do the work.

I’d just like to offer another heartfelt thanks for all of your advice on this thread. The resources are excellent and you have helped me more than you can ever know.

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PleaseVipersHelpMe · 30/07/2024 11:55

Izzy54321 · 30/07/2024 10:18

OP first of all I would like to give a huge virtual hug and I’m so sorry this is happening to you. It must be so difficult to be drip fed information and facts. People are so good at this hoping that we won’t discover the full truth. Your husband won’t want your children to know how much he has let you all down and how absolutely awful and selfish he is. To diminish himself in your eyes is different to his beloved children, especially his daughter, as you have said he is her hero. Which is why they try to blame the innocent party.

My exh did this but he had a full blown affair over 2 years. I left immediately and started again. My oldest daughter has never forgiven her father. They do not speak anymore, her choice as an adult. I never bad mouthed him, my children were told by my mother about what happened between he and I. I wish I had told them the truth as previous poster mentioned I looked like a liar to my children, trying to protect them from the hurt. As for the OW she deserves your anger, your dislike and even name calling.
My OW also knew about me and my children, she didn’t care either. So selfish and nasty.

I just want to say I admire your strength immensely. You’re away on a dream holiday and your world must be a place you never thought you would ever be. I would never tell anyone to leave unless there is abuse. The choice is yours even if you leave months or years. Only you know if your husband changes and if you can forgive.

Don't think your life is over either, do not stay for your children. I was alone for a few years after my divorce. I am now happily married to my wonderful husband. There is always hope in the hate and anger.

Thank you so much for the support and for sharing your experience, I really appreciate your advice and perspective.

You were so very brave. Unfortunately I’m not there yet but I’m feeling stronger everyday and I know I will get through this whatever the outcome. It really is nice to feel that there is hope that I can move on too. Thank you again.

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YesThatsATurdOnTheRug · 30/07/2024 11:55

I found out about my particular dickhead in January. It was incredible how much it hit me physically. I was ill for about five months. Just last week he was cagey about me having his phone (I don't even check in that way as I think I'm too traumatised to face it, and I absolutely refuse to live that way because of his choices) and 24 hours later I'm sick again. Shock and grief hit you like a freight train.

I am currently still in the relationship. He promised anything and everything, the first month or two were like my dream relationship (aside from the obvious) but of course it tailed off. We are in counselling and it is helpful but I also know I massively have my head in the sand because I cannot face the upheaval of it all.

I love him, faults and all, but is that enough? I don't know. I'm so vulnerable to him doing it again. Why wouldn't he? He can't change his fundamental self. That's my H though, yours might just have made a stupid set of mistakes. Maybe it wouldn't have got as far as the physical, but how could you know? It's just so hard. I sometimes think I'll drift along like this, carrying the weight and pain of not being enough, until something forces me to change it. You sound a lot stronger than me OP!

PleaseVipersHelpMe · 30/07/2024 12:03

40somethingme · 30/07/2024 10:50

I think you are very brave OP and I wish you all the best. Can I just ask (and ignore me if you don’t want to answer) about the “other” messages he sent her that you haven’t processed yet, that hurt you particularly badly and you are not ready to share here. Is it because you’re worried that what’s in them would change the tone of advice you’re receiving here and you’d be ashamed to potentially stay with him afterwards? You don’t need to reveal them, I’m just asking as I’m conscious there is more and perhaps you’re receiving lots of (good) advice based on an incomplete picture.
I know there are some women who choose not to disclose their husband’s affairs to friends and family due to fear of being judged and I wonder whether this is a similar scenario.
Sending you virtual hugs.

It’s a good question and to be honest I have been hesitant telling friends as I don’t want them to judge me or him. I’ve now decided that I will tell them as I need them. Plus I’m seeing them a few days after I’m back and they will know something is amiss when they see the state of me. I’m going home with baggy clothes!!!

Honestly I’m way past protecting him. The messages I don’t want to share are no worse in terms of the words and sentiments of what I have already shared. The worst on paper in those terms was probably the I want you in my life one. But they are very reminiscent of the things he used to say to me and also very outing. They hurt so much more because of that.

Thank you for your thoughts and kind words, they are appreciated.

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PleaseVipersHelpMe · 30/07/2024 12:12

palepinkmermaid · 30/07/2024 10:52

I never post but this post is something else. It shows how great the internet can be when it provides such support from so many inspirational and wise women to an equally inspirational and wise woman. An absolute queen.

I am so sorry about what you are going through @PleaseVipersHelpMe but it feels like it is the end of a cycle and the start of a new one. A good one. Your DH has shown you who he is and you are now going to be showing him who you are. What your boundaries are and your values. You clearly value integrity and fidelity and haven't deserved how you have been treated.

I particularly admire your desire to ensure that the OW is treated fairly. Whether she remains or departs, won't make a difference. Your DH will either be so terrified of her and making a wrong move that it will be awkward and uncomfortable or he won't. Whatever he does is whatever he does.

You are taking your power back (as all Queens do) and are nicely in control.

For me he doesn't sound like he is going to be good enough for you to stay in a relationship with him. I think doing the counselling is so important as it will at the very least help you debrief and make an informed considered choice that you can clearly articulate in years to come.

I'm sorry this happened on holiday but it is often when such things do as there is a bit of calm and stuff that needs to come out, emerges.

I wish you so many good things and much love. You are going to be just fine. We can all see that.

Thank you so much. This site really is a force for good.

This is a really positive way to look at it. I do very much feel as though I’m taking back my power. I’ve tolerated too much for too long and perhaps I needed to see that I was giving too much. Whether we try again or not things will be changing for me and I know I can cope on my own.

Thank you for your wise words and kindness. I‘m so grateful.

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PleaseVipersHelpMe · 30/07/2024 12:13

OldMutantDecrepitTurtle · 30/07/2024 11:33

This is what I think too. He was looking for you to slip up in order to justify his infidelity, framing a narrative that you betrayed him first by putting money in a separate account. What a joke, and shows too that even when planning an affair, he needed to see himself in a good light.

Agreed. If only he could see this.

Thank you so much.

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PleaseVipersHelpMe · 30/07/2024 12:20

YesThatsATurdOnTheRug · 30/07/2024 11:55

I found out about my particular dickhead in January. It was incredible how much it hit me physically. I was ill for about five months. Just last week he was cagey about me having his phone (I don't even check in that way as I think I'm too traumatised to face it, and I absolutely refuse to live that way because of his choices) and 24 hours later I'm sick again. Shock and grief hit you like a freight train.

I am currently still in the relationship. He promised anything and everything, the first month or two were like my dream relationship (aside from the obvious) but of course it tailed off. We are in counselling and it is helpful but I also know I massively have my head in the sand because I cannot face the upheaval of it all.

I love him, faults and all, but is that enough? I don't know. I'm so vulnerable to him doing it again. Why wouldn't he? He can't change his fundamental self. That's my H though, yours might just have made a stupid set of mistakes. Maybe it wouldn't have got as far as the physical, but how could you know? It's just so hard. I sometimes think I'll drift along like this, carrying the weight and pain of not being enough, until something forces me to change it. You sound a lot stronger than me OP!

Oh my love I am so sorry that you are going through this. You are strong but I understand that the shock and anxiety hits you like a brick, I know it’s difficult but I hope you’re looking after yourself.

I’m in no position to be offering advice given my situation but I just want to say that you are strong to be working through this and trying to
trust again. That in itself is so very tough. Youve done this for months and if you want to continue I’m certainly not going to advise otherwise. But I also know that you are capable of anything and if you decide at any point that it’s not worth it, you will cope then too. I really wish you all the best. I hope things improve for you soon.

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YesThatsATurdOnTheRug · 30/07/2024 12:45

PleaseVipersHelpMe · 30/07/2024 12:20

Oh my love I am so sorry that you are going through this. You are strong but I understand that the shock and anxiety hits you like a brick, I know it’s difficult but I hope you’re looking after yourself.

I’m in no position to be offering advice given my situation but I just want to say that you are strong to be working through this and trying to
trust again. That in itself is so very tough. Youve done this for months and if you want to continue I’m certainly not going to advise otherwise. But I also know that you are capable of anything and if you decide at any point that it’s not worth it, you will cope then too. I really wish you all the best. I hope things improve for you soon.

Sorry that ended up being a very unhelpful post on your support thread, feeling sorry for myself! Some days I feel more empowered about it and think, he's not screwing up me and the kids lives with his nonsense! But time will tell.

I told my friends for moral support and I absolutely haven't regretted it. I didn't tell my mum or his family because I don't know what I want to do yet and I don't want them all hating him/raking over it.

Counselling is definitely good if you're contemplating giving him a chance. Mine had a really damaging childhood and I'm not actually sure he knows how to love anyone, not really. But whether I can deal with that, who knows.

I'm so sorry this has ruined your amazing holiday. I hope you can still enjoy it in some ways. I had all his family staying for the weekend a few days after I found out so I couldn't (decided not to) kick him out til that was all over, it's so strange being in limbo almost, putting on a straight face and living a double life.

I've seen many wise mumsnetters have advised you not to rush, I think that's true. What they did won't change, and if you want to try for however long it takes and then still leave him, that's your prerogative.

SandyY2K · 30/07/2024 16:52

I admire how well your articulated your feelings.

What he needs to do, is find out for himself what he should be doing to show you that he loves you and is truly remorseful.

There is a wayward spouse thread on Surviving Infidelity and he could do with reading it and joining up to ask other WSs for advice. They will not judge him. Even the betrayed spouses cannot be harsh on S.I. or they will be banned from posting in the wayward area. It's a very supportive site for both WS and BS.

The bit about him not wanting to talk about it, is quite frankly human nature. Anyone would prefer not to have their bad behaviour talked about so much.

He could also benefit from reading his betrayed spouses feel, because I'm not sure he really truly gets it from what you've said.

Sometimes it takes time for WS to fully understand what they've done and the impact of their spouse. That's where therapy will help you both.

I'm going to DM you.

JaneAustensHeroine · 30/07/2024 18:06

In my experience (some of it spent working with men who are having mid-life crises and caused complete chaos as a result) it is very typical that they are in denial about the severity of what they have done. Facing up to the fact that they are the cliche - the type of man they would have joked about in the past - is very difficult. Justifying their behaviour is typical as a defence mechanism - if their behaviour is justified then maybe they aren’t that cliche afterall.

Mid-life crises are very real and devastating. Society jokes about it but it’s not a laughing matter. Find a counsellor when you return from your holidays for you to talk with, not him. Having someone you can offload to is incredibly helpful and will offer you a sounding board. Looking after yourself is priority.

💐 for you.

Freeme31 · 30/07/2024 20:07

@SandyY2K OP i agree with what this poster and others say he is in denial about the type of man he is. If you want to save the marriage/if it's been good up until now i think yes he should sign up to this: "There is a wayward spouse thread on Surviving Infidelity and he could do with reading it and joining up to ask other WSs for advice. They will not judge him. Even the betrayed spouses cannot be harsh on S.I. or they will be banned from posting in the wayward area. It's a very supportive site for both WS and BS."

He will get a news letter everyday if he signs up i know someone who still gets the email from Linda & Doug ever-day when i asked why they still get it 7 years later they said it reminds them everyday of the man they want to be for their wife. Would you be up for showing him this post too?

Tumblingjungleofchaos · 30/07/2024 22:55

Very helpful post by @Freeme31 from Sunday. Just reading through until this point and want to say you are doing amazing OP.

MsDogLady · 31/07/2024 07:38

PleaseVipersHelpMe · 30/07/2024 10:41

Quite. My opinion is that he was looking for a trigger - any trigger - and this gave him his excuse to do what he had wanted to do all along.

Thank you for your post.

I agree, @PleaseVipersHelpMe. He created distance between you via his grumpiness and snappiness to make room for OW. He jumped on the inheritance issue and used it to justify his wrongdoing. Villainizing you made it easier to rationalize courting her.

You saw caring and devotion in the messages. I too believe that he really liked OW and valued the feelings engendered by their ‘adventure.’ Hopefully he’ll reach the point where he acknowledges the extent of the trauma he has inflicted, takes full responsibility for it, and works on his flaws to safeguard his fidelity.