Disorder in Leeds

[OrangeFurever]

Anyone watching the public disorder in Leeds? Bloody disgusting behaviour. Animals. AIBU to wish police had so many more resources to bring consequences to these absolute excuses for humanity?

What a load of twaddle. We all know what Farage (and all the other tweeters who jumped on the same bandwagon) was implying. That the rioters were Muslim. You can bend and twist and give yourself a hernia, but that's what he meant. We see him.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/uk-how-myth-muslims-were-behind-leeds-disorder-went-viral

The Romani race originally hail from india and the subcontinent so he is sort of correct.

Of course it is not twaddle, it is clear and a straightforward understanding of what he said, and based on his continually expressed concerns.

I think what you are seeing is what you want to see in a world of divisive politics. Perhaps you would like to throw a milkshake on him like the other lovers of reason and democracy.

Tell me where he even said or implied Muslim. What is this issue about the politics of the subcontinent - what are you saying it referred to.

However if you just wish to make stuff up to assuage your prejudices, then Carry on.

However if you just wish to make stuff up to assuage your prejudices, then Carry on

Tell me where he even said or implied Muslim. What is this issue about the politics of the subcontinent - what are you saying it referred to

Sorry for the GB News link, but it shows that Farage has used the phrase “subcontinent politics” previously and what he means by it.

www.gbnews.com/news/nigel-farage-birmingham-muslim-news-world-latest

I really don’t care what Farage has to say about anything.

If there are social issues to address, we (the country) should address them. Even if they’re difficult and sensitive.

But without reference to any views expressed by that half-wit.

I shouldn't keep poking you but although you made a big puff about how context was important when seeing the Harehill riots and how we must be careful of bias- you still haven't said what it was that context and unbiased thinking led you to see.

I've said what saw- a lawless migrant community rioting.I think I called them twats but despite many meaningless posts from you-to me- you still haven't said what you saw.

You know what...you saw the same as me! You can't think of an actual context-all you could do was throw the word about! But I can help you because if you were able to put it into words, I imagine this is the type of shite you and other apologists would say. You're very welcome to use the next time you mention context and someone asks you what you mean.

Here we go! The Apologist Speaks!

"I did not see a migrant community going apeshit because they do not like the laws of this land. Instead I saw a misplaced community, ostracised and marginalised who had suffered the indignity of having children removed because they were the victims of systematic racism.

We must ensure that their feelings are taken into account when dealing with sensitive matters. We must check our own all too conscious bias. To do otherwise is to unjustly press upon them the belief that our ways are better-an appalling display of racist thought.

Their poverty and the lack of will on behalf of the host society to help them integrate, means that these people are kept on the edges, feeling ignored and that the contribution they want to make to society is ignored.

They feel that they are often judged and found to be wanting because their cultural and societal ideas not not always align with those of the host community. They are voiceless, powerless and yet are always blamed-a bogey man for our times.

Rioting is never the answer but sometimes, just sometimes, justifiable anger needs to be present, visible, heard in order to make a racist society stop, reassess and above all, listen to the anguished roar of those who face racism and hatred every day."

I'm leaving it at that now. So, don't think I'm purposely ignoring you when you come back with some mee-mowing. I'm not but I have supper to cook and uniforms to sort out. So, bye bye.

Politicians who tweet must be careful when they make comments on situations.

I am sure you agree with that.

"I shouldn't keep poking you but although you made a big puff about how context was important when seeing the Harehill riots and how we must be careful of bias- you still haven't said what it was that context and unbiased thinking led you to see"

It's not about what I saw.

It's about what Farage saw.

Last time I checked I wasn't a leader of a political party with a large platform.
When a politician tweets, they need to be careful. Unless they don't care what effect their words have

Well yes, I agree. But sadly there are at least 4 million people in the UK who listen to his half-wittery. Which is why he is dangerous.

Of veracity you are the only person who has ever heard "the subcontinent" and thought Europe.

If you google "the subcontinent" what comes up?

So well said. This imo was the major reason Brexit came about. Prior to opening borders to Countries with a far different economic state than our own most of us were happy with the free trade agreements we had.

How about we just enforce the law of the land to everybody in the country?

Ultimately we're an overcrowded country with a lot of poverty, so there's always going to be social problems, but much of the anti-social behaviour would be easily dealt with, ergo prevented, by strong law enforcement. As an example near me there's rampant shop lifting on the local high street (local Roma community well known for it) but they know they get away with it. Crime is mostly nipped in the bud when it's punished because then the criminals are off the streets and others think twice.

And do you think that the sub continent Farage is referring to is the "sub continent of Europe" ?

I haven't seen anyone else say he was talking about the sub continent of Europe anywhere else. Not in any of the media that is supportive of Farage.

I know that he has an issue with immigration. It should be discussed. But tweeting in such a way just encourages more division and stokes tensions.

Did he just see rioting and make an assumption?

And it's the same with people on here who have talked about people not being English and "our country".

Funny though - when I meet colleagues from Leeds and Bradford, I have no doubt they get told to "go back to where they come from" and that they aren't English. Despite being born and bred in Yorkshire. But I guess they will never be English to some people.

I think talking about Farage is a distraction. The bottom line is there are people not obeying the law and they are getting away with it. There clearly is a problem with Roma and no one seems to have a clue how to address this. “Cultural” should not be a literal get out of jail free card, and certainly should not be a passport past a nation’s child protection laws.

This is about the disorder in Leeds. A prominent MP and leader of Reform spreads disinformation about it.

There are over 100,000 Roma people in the UK (according to the last census)

"There clearly is a problem with Roma and no one seems to have a clue how to address this"

Do you think there's a problem with all of them? Some of them. Or are you going to generalise?

I mean, I was accused of racism on this thread for even mentioning children being forced into begging and shoplifting. I wanted to keep to issues that I had witnessed myself. But I have heard the reports. Apparently the police found “no evidence” that it was happening, but I know some of the locals were very upset by that outcome.

What I do know, is that vulnerable women from Eastern Europe were being trafficked into Govanhill, held as slaves, being forced into prostitution and sold to men as wives. One woman was pregnant at the time it was happening to her.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-50345366.amp

A news report a while back actually had the estimate at over double the census figures.

I believe for most of us the issue seems to be with Eastern European Roma (most likely the sub continent Farage speaks of). Of course it is not all of them causing issues. But from what happened in Leeds, what myself and a pp have witnessed in Glasgow. There seems to be a sufficient amount not adhering to UK laws and cultural expectations.

"I believe for most of us the issue seems to be with Eastern European Roma"

Who's us?

Who are you asking to "Not feed the troll?"

When you said "I believe that for most of us, the issue seems to be with Eastern European Roma", I think that needs questioning.

God, the absolute weasels pretending Farage was referring to the subcontinent of Europe.

Yup. Every honest person knows "the subcontinent" generally refers to the Indian subcontinent.

And even if that were not the case, Farage has repeatedly referenced "politics of the subcontinent" in relation to India. As a PP posted, he did so in a GB News segment last year, he has also tweeted the phrase earlier this year:

https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1781383356237664394

I certainly wasn’t pretending, I am not sure anyone else was either.

I did not vote Reform, but in Labours landslide victory it should be kept in mind

• that only 20% of the electorate voted Labour
• Jeremy when he lost, got more votes than Sir Keir
• for every 10 people that voted Labour over. 4 voted Reform
• Reform only got just over 1% of the seats that Labour did for over 40% of the votes that Labour got

My point is this is a big issue that needs to be handled carefully and name calling is not the way to reach consensus. But anyway that is for a different thread