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Disorder in Leeds

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OrangeFurever · 18/07/2024 21:53

Anyone watching the public disorder in Leeds? Bloody disgusting behaviour. Animals. AIBU to wish police had so many more resources to bring consequences to these absolute excuses for humanity?

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hotpotlover · 19/07/2024 07:15

cakeorwine · 19/07/2024 07:11

I can't tell if that person is English or not from that picture.
Can you?

Exactly :) I thought born and bred here meant English....

Sendinsanity · 19/07/2024 07:16

LordPercyPercy · 18/07/2024 22:48

Intersting to see plentiful images of Green Party councillor Mothin Ali joining in the fun.

Except if you see the clips, you would see he was the only person brave enough to try and stop it. To try and move the mob away from home with scared children inside, to stop more being loaded on the bus. The police nowhere to be seen. Get your facts straight

Savemydrink · 19/07/2024 07:17

cakeorwine · 19/07/2024 07:11

I can't tell if that person is English or not from that picture.
Can you?

I bet you don’t know what a woman is either

cakeorwine · 19/07/2024 07:19

Savemydrink · 19/07/2024 07:17

I bet you don’t know what a woman is either

See - I was at a work's event yesterday with some people from Leeds who looked to have a similar ethnicity and they had broad Leeds accents, having been born in Leeds.

Which was in England, last time I checked.

When I worked in Leeds, there were children who looked to have similar ethnicity and also had Leeds accents.

Having been born in Leeds.

Which makes them English

FinalCeleryScheme · 19/07/2024 07:19

DreamTheMoors · 19/07/2024 00:10

I’m surprised you can recognize tremendous comments, or know the difference. You seem quite, well, limited.

Well done, @suburberphobe.

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FluffyDiplodocus · 19/07/2024 07:25

The thing I keep thinking about, seeing all the videos and photos, is how there were little kids were there. As in babies on hips / toddlers on shoulders and a few buggies in the crowd. It just shows how bad the mentality of some people who behave like this is! Like who thinks taking a small child to a dangerous riot is a good idea?!

I live locally and know the area, it’s widely regarded as not the safest area, it’s not somewhere I’ve ever liked driving through. But to be fair my DH’s nan used to live there and she was nice, and her neighbours were really nice too - an immigrant family who brought her food over most days because they ‘had extra’ and she lived alone. I suspect stuff like this is just a magnet for rough people for surrounding areas (I teach in a deprived area in Leeds and was watching the footage hoping none of my lot were there).

Silviasilvertoes · 19/07/2024 07:28

ApolloandDaphne · 18/07/2024 22:06

My DD lives in Harehills. Her boyfriend took this picture. I think it is very isolated. As a retired SW I can confirm it can be terrifying removing a child from a violent and unpredictable family.

DM was a C&F SW. She never told me details of course, but she had some frightening stories. She once had a brick thrown through her office window, it landed on her desk. Those poor children in this case. I hope they’re kept safe.

Glitterybee · 19/07/2024 07:34

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Savemydrink · 19/07/2024 07:36

cakeorwine · 19/07/2024 07:19

See - I was at a work's event yesterday with some people from Leeds who looked to have a similar ethnicity and they had broad Leeds accents, having been born in Leeds.

Which was in England, last time I checked.

When I worked in Leeds, there were children who looked to have similar ethnicity and also had Leeds accents.

Having been born in Leeds.

Which makes them English

Oh of course, now I see it

A very proud English man trying to destroy his city. I hope he gets locked up for years

housemaus · 19/07/2024 07:36

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I think saying "these ethnic communities" and then making a giant sweeping statement is pretty much textbook racism. You can't just say something racist and then go "but I'm not racist" lmao, that's not how it works.

berksandbeyond · 19/07/2024 07:37

What a bunch of scumbags

Seymour5 · 19/07/2024 07:41

LuluBlakey1 · 19/07/2024 06:29

As expected, Farage has now waded in with carefully crafted remarks that are essentially blaming race and his usual 'Don't say I didn't warn you...' politics.

Meanwhile he is stumping for Trump and making a fortune in American politics.

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10 years ago when there were large numbers of Roma fighting in the streets of a Sheffield suburb demographically similar to Harehills, David Blunkett ‘waded in’ in a similar manner. More to it perhaps than simply poverty.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24909979

FluffyDiplodocus · 19/07/2024 07:46

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Thing is, the ones who have integrated weren’t there! There absolutely is an issue with migration and a lack of integration, I teach locally in a very diverse area. What happened last night is awful, and I hate seeing Leeds on the news for this reason. But there are plenty of people who immigrate and integrate perfectly well, they weren’t out there behaving like animals.

ApolloandDaphne · 19/07/2024 07:53

Holidayhell22 · 19/07/2024 07:08

Harehills is a shithole. It’s full of drug dealers and gangs.
Awful for the innocent people who have to live there. Like most major cities, the nice areas are very expensive to live in.
These people don’t need an excuse to behave like that.
They want it as a no go area.

My DD lives in Harehills. She is white and middle class and she owns her house. Her street is very diverse and her neighbours are all lovely. It's really not all as people are saying it is on here! What happened in one street cannot be rolled out so a whole area.

OrangeFurever · 19/07/2024 07:54

RubyWinehouse · 19/07/2024 00:03

The Police ran away and left them to it! What sort of message does that send?

That was the point of my post really - individual police forces do not have the numbers or resources to safely deal with this sort of situation.

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xtinabale55 · 19/07/2024 07:57

Was brought up in a midlands town quite similar to this and trust me when I say for some awful people living in these areas this is a way of life, it's just how they are, any excuse to stand around chatting abs crap, flexing to the gang about how hard they are setting fire to a bus, those kids would've been removed of course for their safety, you can't understand how children being removed for their safety would cause this, bc these people don't think and behave like most normal people this is why they're there in the first place! Anyone with half a brain has fought their way out of there or some families have to live amongst it in fear never knowing if they'll be attacked, assaulted or burgled. Most were feral children to begin with kicked out and left out all day, not educated at all about respect and no school education but the school education is abs rubbish in these places as also, when children can't behave in class and it's the majority of the class how do the teachers manage that, you call in the parents they're likely drunks, drug dealers or well known criminals that will target you if you come down on their kids. It's an institution of gang land it stems from poverty and overpopulated areas, feel so sorry for the kids. They grow up gaining a sense of belonging within a gang, friends are their family and escape out of violent or broken homes, or they're just kicked out all day and have nowhere else to go, know bc I grew up in an area like this, what happens is in time sadly the majority do only what they see others have done before, a lot of girls are pregnant from 15+, they get a council house and their own place, a lot of them struggle with the demands of parenting being so young and become depressed or take to drugs and the cycle continues, most of the lads end up mixed in to drugs or get by living with parents on paper but are claiming benefits, or they steal cars or have underhand jobs to pay the bills and many end up in mental health facilities due to drug problems and many end up dead due to drugs. It's an awful place to live and it's many many places sadly. Me and my partner grew up in a place like this and we got out young, it was a battle, we had no decent education, it was a steep steep learning curve for us and we have had no one support us at all, family look down on you when you try to do better for yourself this is the mentality of people that live in these places and some go as low to try and sponge off you when it suits them! It's rotten to the core. Out of all the people we knew growing up with most of the girls I knew were pregnant from 15-16+, one became a prostitute to feed her drug addict partners addiction, her cousin became addictive to drugs and in and out of rehab, their mother kicked them out all day sadly she know struggles massively with her MH, most of the lads are drug addicts, quite a few died of drug related issues, a girl I knew also died of drugs. We were looked down on when we moved away and we had to cut ourselves off, we have ended up friendless for quite some yrs which was very hard it was abs the right decision you don't need friends like that! But oc it takes time to build friendships much time to build trust, seeing these people be out a lot with lots of others seemingly having a great time whilst you felt it was for the best to walk away and leave them all behind and have no one to socialise with except eachother has been hard but we hope our child will never be subject to that life bc where does it lead, it leads to living next to drug dealers, noise all night every night, drug addiction, gang peer pressure, fear, early death and short lives and never ever seeing a life out of that tiny mindset and town, it's sad for the kids bc it's those kids that become the adults that's make it that way bc of a lack of adult support in the first place and a lack of education they're like grown up kids really that are just floating about in life aimlessly uneducated, a lot don't see it how me and my partner did they just don't they're sort of blind to it and it's very hard to change once they pass a certain age and that can be as young as 14-15.

lollipoprainbow · 19/07/2024 08:09

LuluBlakey1 · 19/07/2024 06:29

As expected, Farage has now waded in with carefully crafted remarks that are essentially blaming race and his usual 'Don't say I didn't warn you...' politics.

Meanwhile he is stumping for Trump and making a fortune in American politics.

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He's not wrong.

xtinabale55 · 19/07/2024 08:11

It's very much a live fast and die young way of life, have children very young the friends raise eachothers kids so they can't still go out, continue to drink too much and take drugs, at 14-15 the kids are out doing what the parents do, the parents hit 55+ and are on a slope of no return in to a early death due to alcoholism, addiction, insanity, obesity, prison and if not already died of drug related issues and even murder. And it just repeats and repeats, a life of maybe never seeing anything of the world outside of that small town, blaming others for their issues and not fighting to get out of it, or simply giving in and up to it, feeling the government owes them the benefits they get when most can't even be arsed to go and try and work for an income it's almost like a brattish child like attitude but it's not surprising when their basically adult children bc they were never raised properly, no wonder so many end up as they do, when you see how awful down kids can be without discipline and education and parenting they then become adults! A lot more needs to be done from government level for children in these situations on mass ifs sad as this is EXACTLY why this country is in such a mess! Can we expect anymore from these types of people, they're not all born with fight in them and sadly not academic ability to get out of these places how do you fix a problem like that, it's not easy but what's worrying for every decent town there must be 3-4 that aren't, there are a much higher number of problem people than working whjch is frustrating as a working people propping up the benefits system and prison service.

Kjbruce · 19/07/2024 08:15

The media are so ridiculous. Not one report has mentioned that this trouble is caused by the Asian community.

Kjbruce · 19/07/2024 08:16

The media are so ridiculous. Not one report has mentioned that this trouble is caused by the Asian community.

EasternStandard · 19/07/2024 08:16

Savemydrink · 19/07/2024 07:05

Are you for real?

Setting fire to a double decker bus. What an image and why?

So bad

mimblewimble · 19/07/2024 08:17

mathanxiety · 19/07/2024 03:14

Poverty, neglect, dissatisfaction... a taste for violence, and stupidity.

Not everyone who is poor, dissatisfied, or living in a neglected area takes to the streets and riots.

No, of course not, and it's not what sparks violence on the day, but these are massive underlying factors for riots. Get the right social conditions plus enough criminal/violent men in the mix, a hot night and a confrontation with the authorities...

How similar was the behaviour last night to this report from riots in a very deprived, majority white area of my city in the 90s?

"On 12 May 1992, a wave of rioting which persisted for several days began in (this area). Gangs of youths hurled petrol bombs at riot police after a crackdown on local youths using scrambler bikes. Passing vehicles were stoned, and a nearby school was badly damaged in an arson attack. The following night, 16 people were arrested after police were targeted with bricks and petrol bombs in a disturbance outside a pub. The third night of disturbances saw rioters rip metal shutters from the frontage of a newsagents. On the fourth night, the rioters turned their attention to firefighters, who found themselves being stoned by a gangs of youths."

Shoyden · 19/07/2024 08:17

It isn't racist to say that immigration can lead to these problems. Immigration in this country is a huge issue that isn't talked about out of fear of looking racist. In reality it isn't people's ethnicity that causes them to do these things, it's the reality of overcrowding, underfunding, lack of integration and lack of community cohesion that come with immigration. Unless you are going to throw loads and loads of money at an area, you can't just endlessly cram people into it. Especially people from a range of cultures, which means they lose community and the ability to advance in life due to problems with language and access to services. Ffs, it isn't an easy issue but we need to at least admit that we have huge problems to face and our government have caused it by allowing this number of people to immigrate in such a short time.

lollipoprainbow · 19/07/2024 08:19

Shoyden · 19/07/2024 08:17

It isn't racist to say that immigration can lead to these problems. Immigration in this country is a huge issue that isn't talked about out of fear of looking racist. In reality it isn't people's ethnicity that causes them to do these things, it's the reality of overcrowding, underfunding, lack of integration and lack of community cohesion that come with immigration. Unless you are going to throw loads and loads of money at an area, you can't just endlessly cram people into it. Especially people from a range of cultures, which means they lose community and the ability to advance in life due to problems with language and access to services. Ffs, it isn't an easy issue but we need to at least admit that we have huge problems to face and our government have caused it by allowing this number of people to immigrate in such a short time.

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mimblewimble · 19/07/2024 08:24

xtinabale55 · 19/07/2024 08:11

It's very much a live fast and die young way of life, have children very young the friends raise eachothers kids so they can't still go out, continue to drink too much and take drugs, at 14-15 the kids are out doing what the parents do, the parents hit 55+ and are on a slope of no return in to a early death due to alcoholism, addiction, insanity, obesity, prison and if not already died of drug related issues and even murder. And it just repeats and repeats, a life of maybe never seeing anything of the world outside of that small town, blaming others for their issues and not fighting to get out of it, or simply giving in and up to it, feeling the government owes them the benefits they get when most can't even be arsed to go and try and work for an income it's almost like a brattish child like attitude but it's not surprising when their basically adult children bc they were never raised properly, no wonder so many end up as they do, when you see how awful down kids can be without discipline and education and parenting they then become adults! A lot more needs to be done from government level for children in these situations on mass ifs sad as this is EXACTLY why this country is in such a mess! Can we expect anymore from these types of people, they're not all born with fight in them and sadly not academic ability to get out of these places how do you fix a problem like that, it's not easy but what's worrying for every decent town there must be 3-4 that aren't, there are a much higher number of problem people than working whjch is frustrating as a working people propping up the benefits system and prison service.

I've read both your posts, thanks for sharing. Yeah I recognise these issues, not from living in an area like that but I had a job where I spent a lot of time in one similar area. I got to know a lot of great people there but the overall culture was as you describe, and it was hard for people to escape it.

I have no idea the ethnicity of the people where you lived, but my experience was of a very white area. People are clamouring for this to be about race or immigration, as if there aren't areas of our cities where white people can and have acted the same under similar conditions. There's no easy answer, these issues run deep and have been going on for decades, generations.