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What on earth is my mother doing??

491 replies

Hummingbird75 · 18/07/2024 08:05

For context I am an the adult child of an abusive father, the kind MN would always say LTB.

My father would tell us regularly he hated children, and couldn't stand us and spent most of my childhood hitting and abusing me physically and mentally. Being told he did not love me was far worse than anything he did with his fists as a child. It was devastating. He barely spoke to me when he wasn't losing his temper.

He abused my mother for years in a controlling way but stopped physically assaulting her when he started taking his temper out on us. My mother always said she would leave him, and she had many options to do so, but never did. I grew up desperate for his love and approval initially, to be even noticed enough for him to talk to me. It never happened.

Once I reached adulthood, I realised my 'normal' childhood was not normal at all, and over the years my father and I have been low contact. I remained close to my mother, mainly because he didn't want to be around us anyway beyond keeping my mother happy. My father and I settled on a very superficial relationship that was entirely empty of all meaning.

Once I had dc and he became abusive towards them (making my dc cry calling them fat and being unkind about their appearance when they were young) I went completely no contact with the help and support of MN at the time. To protect my dc. This has been the case for over six years or so. We just keep in contact with my mother which makes things very awkward at times. My mother says she is happy to stay now with him, they have worked out their differences, it suits her to stay with him, at her age.

Last year my father became very, very ill. I supported my mother, but did not contact him. I still choose to keep my children safe, and away from him. It was very hard and sad at the time. My mother said he is getting old we need to 'make up', so I gave him a choice. If my father agreed to be nice to us and not say anything harmful I will restart contact given his age and ill health.
My father refused outright on the phone - he said no and actually laughed at me. He should be able to say what he likes to us, and he will not agree to anything of the sort. I was only asking for him to promise to be kind, nothing more. I was hardly asking for the world.

There was no way I was going to restart contact with him basically telling me he would continue to abuse me/us (as he has always done)

Since then my mother has completely stopped calling. She seemingly will not forgive me for stopping contact and ruining her illusion of a 'happy family'. She has not visited my house in over five years, and refuses to meet me other than from her house (which is very triggering now for me being there, I sometimes have panic attacks when I am outside because I am still so afraid of my father) unless I collect her a few times a year I would never see her. I had a serious illness at the beginning of this year that could have been a terminal diagnosis, she did not even call me then or offer any support whatsoever. I was so hurt by her total indifference. She really did not seem to care.

What she does every day, is send me a WA message saying she loves me to the 'moon and back' and variations of very over the top love messages which feel very insincere and sickly.

I don't FEEL remotely loved by her.

The messages and words feel completely empty to me. I don't know why she sends them, and I have no idea how to respond to her. I asked her to please stop because they were upsetting me, but she carries on anyway. The same message on repeat every single day of undying love, but she never calls or asks how we are in the messages. I am expected to do all of the calling and all of the visiting still regardless of my health. These 'issues' seem irrelevant to her. She sometimes talks about the weather but nothing else, ever. It feels really pointless. I have tried to engage with her properly and she then retreats into silent treatment and this can last for months at a time.

I am so confused.

What is happening here? Why is she sending these messages to me?

It feels like she has cut me off to all intents and purposes, and her daily text hurts me because it seems like she is saying she loves me, but it doesn't feel like she loves or cares about me at all.

I have no idea what I should do about this now.

What am I missing about this situation?

OP posts:
Dayoldbag · 18/07/2024 13:01

Far too easy for people to excuse women in this scenario that they are without a shred of responsibility for their children as they allowed them to be abused.
How come some women leave with the clothes on their backs to save their children and others carry on cooking dinner and ignore the screams?

OP, both of your parents abused you and as you age, you will realise this and accept it.

If your father goes first you can expect her to expect you to fall into line.
She knew EXACTLY what she was doing.
She was an utterly shit mother, you owe her nothing.
Block her and focus your energy on continuing to be the good mother you are.
You are going to be happily surprised at the relief you feel when they are both dead.
They are not and never were, good people.
They were both abusers of you.
You deserve some peace.
Take it now and block her self serving texts that make a mockery of genuinely loving motherhood.

maudelovesharold · 18/07/2024 13:01

I think your Mum’s messages are from a place of extreme guilt and regret. She knows that your relationship is probably damaged beyond repair due to her staying with your father, a position from which she can’t/won’t extricate herself. She is probably desperately sad and unhappy, but torn between justifying the situation to herself - I was being a loyal wife/didn’t want to break up the family/it wasn’t that bad, was it?/can’t we forgive and forget/all families have problems etc. etc.- and the dreadful realisation of what she and your father have actually done to you, because she was probably too scared to upset the status quo and leave. The ott declarations of love are to try and compensate for her inability to demonstrate it to you irl, for whatever reason…

Ava27268 · 18/07/2024 13:02

I wonder if this comes down to money. The OP’s mother is happy to ‘manage’ her beastly husband in exchange for a new car, patio etc. She won’t risk the relationship because she fears having to split the family monies and start over on a diminished budget? OP you don’t owe her anything. She knows where you live if she needs you and you have siblings etc. I would cut contact with her, explaining why and try to move on

Escapingafter50years · 18/07/2024 13:03

@Ilikeadrink14 If you feel for the OP's family you are the one who should be ashamed.
Get a grip.

Sceptical123 · 18/07/2024 13:04

AnonymousBleep · 18/07/2024 12:39

That's pointless. If she's a narcissist (and it sounds like she is) then she'll have told herself that either the abuse didn't happen, or she'll have totally minimised it and it'll be the OP's fault for being a 'challenging teenager' or similar. You can't call narcissists out on their misdemeanours, because they mentally rewrite the past so that those misdemeanours never happened, or happened but the narcissist had their hand forced by someone else, and they believe their own version of events.

She might well be. I was saying the father was one.

Sceptical123 · 18/07/2024 13:05

maudelovesharold · 18/07/2024 13:01

I think your Mum’s messages are from a place of extreme guilt and regret. She knows that your relationship is probably damaged beyond repair due to her staying with your father, a position from which she can’t/won’t extricate herself. She is probably desperately sad and unhappy, but torn between justifying the situation to herself - I was being a loyal wife/didn’t want to break up the family/it wasn’t that bad, was it?/can’t we forgive and forget/all families have problems etc. etc.- and the dreadful realisation of what she and your father have actually done to you, because she was probably too scared to upset the status quo and leave. The ott declarations of love are to try and compensate for her inability to demonstrate it to you irl, for whatever reason…

This 👏🏻

whynotwhatknot · 18/07/2024 13:09

diddl · 18/07/2024 09:53

My mother protected him from most of my Dad's abuse and rerouted it towards me, I took a lot of hits for him in our younger days and we were solid right up until the point I decided in my early 30s with my own children to consider that enough is enough.

Wow.

Why do you love her Op?

If it wasn't your Mum would you have cut them off years ago?

If so-why is so little expected of your Mum but more of others?

sorry after reading this i dont know why you want any relationship with her

she chose you to receive abuse and for some reason you an forgive her but not your brother?

mangochutneyjar · 18/07/2024 13:14

I think your Mum’s messages are from a place of extreme guilt and regret

I dont agree with this at all. I think OP's mother is a fcking monster. She doesnt feel guilt or regret. She acted jealous when OP was sexually abused. There is no regret there at all, let alone guilt. Guilt implies there is a conscience there in the first place.

This is much darker and more sinister than her feeling guilty and regretful. This is deliberately abusive on her part (in addition to your father's abuse).

DPotter · 18/07/2024 13:15

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Who made you the playground supervisor ?

Given the awful situation the OP has endured her entire life, I think 3 swear words in 8 lines is extremely reticent.

Swear away @JMSA and anyone else for that matter

Conniebygaslight · 18/07/2024 13:17

I think your mum loves you but her desire to please him is greater which is often the case with abuse. Your mum cannot give you more and it’s terribly hurtful. Yes she is a victim but then by default so are you still.
I think you have 2 choices. Either accept this is all she can/will give or go no contact to protect yourself so sorry OP.

DancesWithBadgers · 18/07/2024 13:19

I’m so sorry for what you have experienced. Something you said really chimed with me - about your inner little girl looking to your mother still for the parenting she so desperately wanted. I really resonate with that and I wanted to just share with you something that helped me a lot.

I realised that I was looking for a parent and mother that never existed and also never COULD exist. Because while we all carry our younger selves, we can never return to the time when we needed that parenting. Even if now suddenly a miracle happened and the absent or abusive parent changed that younger self really would not get the benefit of it.

But what I realised was I did have a parent, just like you did and do and that was me. And that like you id taken great pains to ensure the cycle was broken and mothered my child in all the ways I never was. But I also realised as I was doing it I was parenting myself, and that the inner little girl in me just needed to trust ME to keep her safe. And part of that was not allowing her to be triggered each day. And to give her a rest, just keep her safe and away from the abuse. She also needed telling, kindly, that the mother she wanted so much was not there for her and never would be but I was there and i’d never leave her.

And so I did all that and I have had a few years distance now, mostly NC, occasionally LC when boundaries are pushed. And i’ve healed so much and trust myself so much, and more importantly the inner little girl in me trusts me too, cause she knows I got her back. That’s been incredibly healing.

Hecatoncheires · 18/07/2024 13:20

OP, I keep coming back to this thread. You say that you are trying to understand your mother. But you never will. You are a totally different person and trying to examine your mother through the lens of your own thoughts, values, behaviour will not result in anything useful. Frankly, I'm amazed and admiring that you are as articulate and caring as you clearly are, given that you grew up with. You deserve a bright future.

betterangels · 18/07/2024 13:21

Mumoftwo1316 · 18/07/2024 08:10

She's abused you too in her way.

Absolutely. Focus on your children and let both of them be.

Foragameofsoldiers · 18/07/2024 13:22

Humberston · 18/07/2024 08:35

Firstly, well done for protecting your children by not allowing your father contact with them. That's really admirable.

I believe your mum is sending you those daily messages to prove to herself that she is a good mother. On some level she knows how badly she's failed you and the texts serve to quieten that knowledge because she can say to herself (and anyone else) "...but I tell my daughter everyday that I love her", thus making out you are the problem. It's simply the latest in a long series of selfish behaviour by her, ie putting her needs way above yours.

You could block her but I understand that you do hope to be close to her again in the future, so that will feel too permanent. So all you can really do is ignore them, because they're not actually meant for you, they're entirely for herself.

This. Absolutely. I know of a similar circumstance where someone made a choice which meant they severed a relationship with their child for their own hapoiness. They send messages like this. I believe its so that they can turn around to people and say ‘but I TRIED to make things right, I really did’.
It is the ultimate in selfishness. She wants YOU to make HER feel better for her shitty choices.
Thats not love. Thats victim mentality.

betterangels · 18/07/2024 13:24

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wibblywobblywoo · 18/07/2024 13:28

Hummingbird75 · 18/07/2024 10:20

What my therapist was unable to do was offer a solution. She said it is an impossible situation as a child, because we effectively become the parent (so in fact I have become the protective parent of my mother) as she was the poor victim in our family. Leaving a child (my mother) in a known abusive situation is extremely hard to do.

This makes sense because when my mother had her first nervous breakdown, I had to take care of the house and my brother and her.

I am finding it hard to walk away because I am the parent, not the child, in this relationship.

I haven't had parents so to speak, I have always been the one to care, look after and support her/them all of my life.

I have posted to ask if anyone else can help me figure out what to do, if they have been in similar positions and what worked. How can I manage this...because actually having read all of your posts, I do think she is discreetly continuing to abuse me under the guise of 'love'.

Edited

Just a thought OP, ignore if inappropriate but, could you run with that "I'm the parent, she's the child" narrative and take it to it's logical conclusion of "OK well you're not a child anymore so off you go on your own now" and use that to 'release' from her? As I say, just a thought.

LiesDoNotBecomeUs · 18/07/2024 13:35

It sounds as if she is carrying out his wishes and so joining him in his attempt to have back control over you and your children. Whether this is fully her choice (as you say - she has places to go if she left him) or not, this is what she is doing.

By not visiting or calling you she is attempting to force you to treat them as one. She has forgiven him/accepts him... so you must if you want a relationship with her.

There are names for this sort of behaviour!

She says she loves you to the moon and back but this is not as far as your front door :(

People don't get the parents they deserve. Flowers
I'm glad that your children have been so much luckier.

TorroFerney · 18/07/2024 13:41

Hummingbird75 · 18/07/2024 12:03

We are only responsible for our reaction and responses to others, which is true, we decide how we respond or don't respond.

In my case I am choosing to allow my mother the space to hurt me every single day with her 'loving' messages. I could have put a stop to that before now.

I am holding onto the false narrative that my mother loves and cares for me on some level, and at some point she will come good and be a loving mother that occasionally puts me first. This is never ever going to happen.

I continue to torture myself with the prospect of an 11th hour moment of enlightenment when my family will apologise for the violence and recognise that they have hurt me. Again, I am allowing this to happen.

That either parent are capable of love and empathy as we know it. They clearly, very clearly aren't able to offer that to me.

The difficulty is accepting this from the two people in the world that were supposed to love and care for me unconditionally. Letting go of that is massive. It leads to a place of free fall and what do I have, truly have, if I don't even have my own parents love or affection? It is very hard to face. That I was born without someone ever looking out for me. It is bleak to say the least.

This won't help in any way but just wanted to say that your self awareness and understanding of both the situation and why you react the way you do is absolutely fabulous and inspirational.

OhBeAFineGuyKissMe · 18/07/2024 13:43

OP you remind me of my mum, she was physically and sexually abused by her father (my granddad) and told her mum who didn’t believe her.

She didn’t ever break herself out of the situation fully (though like you she broke the cycle of abuse and we had a regular childhood). It scars her to this day as she had severe FOG and nursed my gran when she was old and dying. Everyone else could see how unhealthy this was and withdrew. Looking back mum couldn’t break free - but it did feel like she put her mum ahead of her children and it has affected our relationship with her. She never told anyone and it was a canker eating her from the inside.

To fully protect your DDs you need to protect yourself.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 18/07/2024 13:43

What @TorroFerney said! I've just read all your posts OP & you seem to be working things out as the thread progresses, too. You're getting there!

SummerDays2020 · 18/07/2024 13:47

My heart is breaking for you.

Noodlesmumm · 18/07/2024 13:52

Mumoftwo1316 · 18/07/2024 08:10

She's abused you too in her way.

Agree with this

Hummingbird75 · 18/07/2024 13:58

OhBeAFineGuyKissMe · 18/07/2024 13:43

OP you remind me of my mum, she was physically and sexually abused by her father (my granddad) and told her mum who didn’t believe her.

She didn’t ever break herself out of the situation fully (though like you she broke the cycle of abuse and we had a regular childhood). It scars her to this day as she had severe FOG and nursed my gran when she was old and dying. Everyone else could see how unhealthy this was and withdrew. Looking back mum couldn’t break free - but it did feel like she put her mum ahead of her children and it has affected our relationship with her. She never told anyone and it was a canker eating her from the inside.

To fully protect your DDs you need to protect yourself.

There are so many posts I have wanted to reply to directly, and I can't reply to them all as much I would want to. Especially the ones where they are so similar.

Despite your mum protecting you from what she went through, why did it still impact your relationship with her? How did she prioritise your grandmother over you?

I am worried this might happen. That it somehow leaks through. Whilst I am sad about her actions I am not tuned into my children's needs kind of thing, and I hope I have been careful. I am sometimes quiet and sad, and I can't help that. For me I manage it the best way I can. It is imperfectly, but given what has happened it is all I have been able to do to stay alive and be happy and present parent as much as I can.

Yes I need to protect myself, in order to do that I need to know I am worth protecting. Valuable as a person and worthy of being cared about, and sometimes in my heart, I just don't feel that I am.

Other times I can feel angry and hurt but never allow myself to cry about what happened or to feel too much anger. I can't really look too closely, I can't afford to look too closely at what happened as it feels too much. So I hold it slightly at a distance in order to manage it. I imagine others do the same.

OP posts:
ThedaBara · 18/07/2024 14:03

OP i can currently reading a book called The Body Keeps The Score about how PTSD affects survivors and how to unpack trauma. My parents were not as abusive as yours but both were alcoholics and much of my childhood wasn't happy. The book is helping me understand the false hope and feeling of loss, and how to move forward. I don't want to carry this around for the rest of my life and neither should you. You can't change your parents but you can work on your own happiness. Wishing you all the best

Allthehorsesintheworld · 18/07/2024 14:07

There is something seriously , seriously wrong with your father. That level of abuse, and to carry it on to his grandchildren is beyond horrendous.

Could he be sending the daily WA? Or making your mum send it to keep you dangling.

You don’t say their ages, could you alert SS. You’d have to be 100% open with them about the abuse you suffered so it may be too much for you. It might put them on SS radar but if your mother is that much under his thumb maybe it would be a waste of your energy.

you can only message your mum and say you are there for her, you can meet up with her when she wants. Can you block her WA messages but she could still text you?

( sorry just thinking out loud, bad pain day, ) I’m so sorry for the terrible abuse your father inflicted on you.

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