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To NOT support England ???

760 replies

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 11:49

I’m not English. I have lived in England for a very long time. I do not support the England football team, I frequently support their opposition!

Colleague has taken the England loss hard, and said ‘ I bet you’re glad they lost’ - I replied that I was essentially a neutral but thought Spain deserved the win.

Hes gone off in a big old rant about how if I live here I should be supporting England teams etc.
I think he should have a wee lie down and chill out!

YABU - you SHOULD support the team of a country you’ve made a life in - even if you are from a former colony of that country

YANBU - of course you don’t have to support a national team that’s not yours

OP posts:
DanielGault · 15/07/2024 21:44

Rizzola95 · 15/07/2024 21:41

"What are you on about?"

Seriously, if you're having trouble keeping up then just try rereading, it's so entitled to expect people to keep going back over and explaining themselves to you.

"Well you do seem to have been pissing about on MN all day."

Do I? Considering you haven't been able to keep track of anything you've said to me, I'm surprised you've come to that conclusion. But as I said, I'm not the one making unbelievable claims and using it to bash other people.

I'm keeping up just fine. You're rude, and not making a huge amount of sense. It's almost like you're going out of your way to be insulting. I'm not sure what you're hoping to achieve tbh.

WithACatLikeTread · 15/07/2024 21:45

DanielGault · 15/07/2024 21:42

No, it's not. I always pick someone. Is it only bigotry if I don't pick England?

You are being a obtuse. There is normal football banter and then there was that. I have to say bigotry rather than racism as English isn't a race. Google the article. I imagine there would be a massive uproar if it been an English newspaper. I didn't mind Paddy Powers adverts though. It was light hearted. The Irish seemed better in that regard.

Rizzola95 · 15/07/2024 21:47

I'm just reading some of the posting styles/replies and I'm wondering if we have some sock puppetry going on. OP if that's the case then it's even more pathetic than I first thought.

As PP said before it's actually a testament to "the English" that this thread hasn't been deleted and that people are willing to actually pipe up and defend themselves.

DanielGault · 15/07/2024 21:47

WithACatLikeTread · 15/07/2024 21:39

Of course it was. Google "The Nationalist" newspaper. There's banter and then there is hate. I think they crossed that line.

The Nationalist is a niche publication. It's not one of our proper newspapers. The clue is in the name btw.

WithACatLikeTread · 15/07/2024 21:49

Clarabell77 · 15/07/2024 21:39

Well you can both say what you like but when your own fans are storming your own national stadium I think it’s fair to say their reputation is in tatters. That’s why the whole of Europe was rooting for Spain. That and the fact they were by far the best, most deserving team.

The whole of Europe? Really? I doubt it. I quite like to support opponents of Man City being a Man Utd fan but the extent of your hatred is stupid. Get a grip.

Rizzola95 · 15/07/2024 21:49

"I'm keeping up just fine. You're rude, and not making a huge amount of sense. It's almost like you're going out of your way to be insulting. I'm not sure what you're hoping to achieve tbh."

It's almost like you're twisting posts and attempting to reflect your own intentions on to other people.

WithACatLikeTread · 15/07/2024 21:50

DanielGault · 15/07/2024 21:47

The Nationalist is a niche publication. It's not one of our proper newspapers. The clue is in the name btw.

Probably extra pissed off by the election result. Haha 😂

*The newspaper not you.

Ploughlifht · 15/07/2024 21:50

DanielGault · 15/07/2024 21:42

No, it's not. I always pick someone. Is it only bigotry if I don't pick England?

Read the post you responded to? We’re talking about the newspaper headlines and the general xenophobia towards the English. That is more than banter and you know it.
To be clear…We weren’t talking about who you support. As has been said multiple times on this thread, no one cares about you or anyone else not supporting England.

Liv999 · 15/07/2024 21:50

Buddysbunda · 15/07/2024 21:39

I think Ireland doesn't really feel like it has something to prove on the world stage. Ireland is well liked generally, with a booming economy, a stable government and a good reputation. Not being able to play hurling against Italy for example isn't really something that's thought about.

The GAA is really a fantastic example of sport played for pure passion, there is no monetary gain for players, it's just all about the game.

👏👏

DanielGault · 15/07/2024 21:51

WithACatLikeTread · 15/07/2024 21:49

The whole of Europe? Really? I doubt it. I quite like to support opponents of Man City being a Man Utd fan but the extent of your hatred is stupid. Get a grip.

You're totally making stuff up there though. 'the extent of your hatred '. Sorry but no. Up for the other team does not in any way equate to hatred.

DanielGault · 15/07/2024 21:53

Ploughlifht · 15/07/2024 21:50

Read the post you responded to? We’re talking about the newspaper headlines and the general xenophobia towards the English. That is more than banter and you know it.
To be clear…We weren’t talking about who you support. As has been said multiple times on this thread, no one cares about you or anyone else not supporting England.

Grand, whatever so. Poor put upon Brits, that victims of dreadful xenophobia. Right. What a load of absolute crap.

Clarabell77 · 15/07/2024 21:53

WithACatLikeTread · 15/07/2024 21:39

Of course it was. Google "The Nationalist" newspaper. There's banter and then there is hate. I think they crossed that line.

Can’t find anything, could you send the link
please?

Rizzola95 · 15/07/2024 21:53

"To be clear…We weren’t talking about who you support. As has been said multiple times on this thread, no one cares about you or anyone else not supporting England."

That poster knows this @Ploughlifht and is taking pleasure in winding people up and having them explain things to them over and over. They are twisting things deliberately..just like the OP has been.

DanielGault · 15/07/2024 21:54

Rizzola95 · 15/07/2024 21:53

"To be clear…We weren’t talking about who you support. As has been said multiple times on this thread, no one cares about you or anyone else not supporting England."

That poster knows this @Ploughlifht and is taking pleasure in winding people up and having them explain things to them over and over. They are twisting things deliberately..just like the OP has been.

It's great that you now inhabit my mind, and can read my thoughts.

Ploughlifht · 15/07/2024 21:55

Rizzola95 · 15/07/2024 21:53

"To be clear…We weren’t talking about who you support. As has been said multiple times on this thread, no one cares about you or anyone else not supporting England."

That poster knows this @Ploughlifht and is taking pleasure in winding people up and having them explain things to them over and over. They are twisting things deliberately..just like the OP has been.

Hmm I’ve just seen your post about sock puppetry…that would make sense

Bushmillsbabe · 15/07/2024 21:55

RedPony1 · 15/07/2024 12:09

This

My DP is Welsh, they didn't get through. He supported England all the way!

Same, my husband is Irish but lived in England most of his life. If Ireland are playing England he will support Ireland, if England are playing anyone else then he will support them, as his wife and children are English (well the children are half Irish, but unless Ireland is playing thats not relevant to this particular debate)

WithACatLikeTread · 15/07/2024 21:55

DanielGault · 15/07/2024 21:51

You're totally making stuff up there though. 'the extent of your hatred '. Sorry but no. Up for the other team does not in any way equate to hatred.

I think it is quite clearly dislike and hate. You can read it in that posters posts whereas some of the Irish commenting it has a different vibe which I have no issue with. I don't actually care if no one supports us from the home nations anyway. I wouldn't expect it.

GreyBlackLove · 15/07/2024 21:56

I'm pretty sure the poster has confused the (Irish) Nationalist with the (Scottish) National paper. And might have also confused the nationalities of who they're responding to.

Background context - the National paper posted a shit "joke" headline on Saturday, full of stereotypes and were forced to issue an apology after a number of complaints were made

WithACatLikeTread · 15/07/2024 21:57

Clarabell77 · 15/07/2024 21:53

Can’t find anything, could you send the link
please?

Conveniently. The Nationalist. Luckily many Scots have been rather embarrassed by it.

DanielGault · 15/07/2024 21:58

WithACatLikeTread · 15/07/2024 21:55

I think it is quite clearly dislike and hate. You can read it in that posters posts whereas some of the Irish commenting it has a different vibe which I have no issue with. I don't actually care if no one supports us from the home nations anyway. I wouldn't expect it.

You're just totally making it up though. You have decided I dislike and hate. Which is not true. I think your media tend to big you up too much.

WithACatLikeTread · 15/07/2024 21:58

GreyBlackLove · 15/07/2024 21:56

I'm pretty sure the poster has confused the (Irish) Nationalist with the (Scottish) National paper. And might have also confused the nationalities of who they're responding to.

Background context - the National paper posted a shit "joke" headline on Saturday, full of stereotypes and were forced to issue an apology after a number of complaints were made

Yeah that might be the case. I am talking about the Scottish one which conveniently forgets that many Brits actually the same way.

Clarabell77 · 15/07/2024 21:58

WithACatLikeTread · 15/07/2024 21:49

The whole of Europe? Really? I doubt it. I quite like to support opponents of Man City being a Man Utd fan but the extent of your hatred is stupid. Get a grip.

Yes really, you’re free to doubt it but I’m fairly certain.

No hatred though, just a bit of dislike for the triumphalist nature of England fans and media, and enjoy seeing them getting egg on their face, it’s really that simple.

Rizzola95 · 15/07/2024 21:59

Yes @Ploughlifht and I think there are a couple on here. The posting style, the deliberate misconstruing and the twisting of words.. I mean either that or this is a depressingly nasty place.

WithACatLikeTread · 15/07/2024 21:59

Clarabell77 · 15/07/2024 21:58

Yes really, you’re free to doubt it but I’m fairly certain.

No hatred though, just a bit of dislike for the triumphalist nature of England fans and media, and enjoy seeing them getting egg on their face, it’s really that simple.

Read back. It comes across as more than dislike.

Most England fans were realistic about our chances but you obviously think we believe all the hype.

Clarabell77 · 15/07/2024 22:00

WithACatLikeTread · 15/07/2024 21:57

Conveniently. The Nationalist. Luckily many Scots have been rather embarrassed by it.

It’s not convenient, I can’t find what you’re talking about. You’d have been quicker posting the link and making your point than replying and having me reply again ffs.

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