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To NOT support England ???

760 replies

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 11:49

I’m not English. I have lived in England for a very long time. I do not support the England football team, I frequently support their opposition!

Colleague has taken the England loss hard, and said ‘ I bet you’re glad they lost’ - I replied that I was essentially a neutral but thought Spain deserved the win.

Hes gone off in a big old rant about how if I live here I should be supporting England teams etc.
I think he should have a wee lie down and chill out!

YABU - you SHOULD support the team of a country you’ve made a life in - even if you are from a former colony of that country

YANBU - of course you don’t have to support a national team that’s not yours

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Goldenbear · 15/07/2024 21:05

GreyBlackLove · 15/07/2024 21:03

The OP isn't scottish, so what's your point?

But we don’t know their nationality do we or has it been revealed now!

NinaPersson · 15/07/2024 21:06

GreyBlackLove · 15/07/2024 21:03

The OP isn't scottish, so what's your point?

Sorry, assumption based on what I’ve seen is the Scottish attitude towards the English team.

I’ll take our kids on the final, was very proud of the young team

Clarabell77 · 15/07/2024 21:07

Countymayo · 15/07/2024 20:59

I’m Scottish. Your ‘anyone but England’ disgusts me and so many other Scots. If I’m being generous it marks you out to me as narrow minded and bigoted. There are so many vile racists in Scotland that think this sort of attitude is ‘just banter’. Pathetic.

I’m Scottish. I don’t know a single person who supports England. Even a couple of family members who have married English people don’t want them to win.

However, there is a very small section of fans of one particular football club who align themselves with England, even over their own country. They also align themselves with Israel, orange walks and right-wing fascism. If your support for England is a result of you being part of that small section then you have absolutely no place calling anyone a bigot.

Rizzola95 · 15/07/2024 21:07

"Oh, thanks. I was waiting for your permission. In case it has escaped your attention, I disagree with you. So I don't need persuading. You don't need to 'give up'. You can just go away."

I understand you're trying to wind people up @DanielGault but it's getting boring and it's not coming across as funny, you're just sounding like you can't follow a conversation.
We've established (more than once?) that you don't disagree with me because you haven't referenced anything I've said to either agree or disagree to. And no, you don't need anyone's permission..the very point being made 🥴. Nobody is expecting you to support one team or another.

HowIrresponsible · 15/07/2024 21:11

Clarabell77 · 15/07/2024 21:07

I’m Scottish. I don’t know a single person who supports England. Even a couple of family members who have married English people don’t want them to win.

However, there is a very small section of fans of one particular football club who align themselves with England, even over their own country. They also align themselves with Israel, orange walks and right-wing fascism. If your support for England is a result of you being part of that small section then you have absolutely no place calling anyone a bigot.

Supporting Israel is bigoted ?

Wow. Must be the only country on earth who isnt allowed to defend itself.

Rainbowsponge · 15/07/2024 21:12

Clarabell77 · 15/07/2024 21:07

I’m Scottish. I don’t know a single person who supports England. Even a couple of family members who have married English people don’t want them to win.

However, there is a very small section of fans of one particular football club who align themselves with England, even over their own country. They also align themselves with Israel, orange walks and right-wing fascism. If your support for England is a result of you being part of that small section then you have absolutely no place calling anyone a bigot.

But isn’t your first paragraph bigotry?

Clarabell77 · 15/07/2024 21:12

NinaPersson · 15/07/2024 21:06

Sorry, assumption based on what I’ve seen is the Scottish attitude towards the English team.

I’ll take our kids on the final, was very proud of the young team

I’ll remind you how we did, we never got out of the group stages, never have. Sometimes we haven’t even got into the competition, but we’ve won just as many tournaments as England in the last 58 years and at least our reputation is not in tatters - quite the opposite. For a country 10 times smaller most of us are happy with that.

DanielGault · 15/07/2024 21:12

Rizzola95 · 15/07/2024 21:07

"Oh, thanks. I was waiting for your permission. In case it has escaped your attention, I disagree with you. So I don't need persuading. You don't need to 'give up'. You can just go away."

I understand you're trying to wind people up @DanielGault but it's getting boring and it's not coming across as funny, you're just sounding like you can't follow a conversation.
We've established (more than once?) that you don't disagree with me because you haven't referenced anything I've said to either agree or disagree to. And no, you don't need anyone's permission..the very point being made 🥴. Nobody is expecting you to support one team or another.

Grand so. You win. There there.

GreyBlackLove · 15/07/2024 21:12

Goldenbear · 15/07/2024 21:05

But we don’t know their nationality do we or has it been revealed now!

She responded to someone who called her scottish with a nope earlier in the thread, and referred to "the Scots" and queried a poster who suggested she move to Scotland.

Unless she's lied outright with her response it's clear she isn't Scottish.

Rainbowsponge · 15/07/2024 21:12

DanielGault · 15/07/2024 20:53

And?

So it’s easy to say something is your best sport if there’s zero opposition lol

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 21:15

Liv999 · 15/07/2024 20:47

You'd be wrong, Hurling and Gaelic football are our 'main' sports

Er, I think you’ll find the English commentator knows Ireland best …

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DanielGault · 15/07/2024 21:16

Rainbowsponge · 15/07/2024 21:12

So it’s easy to say something is your best sport if there’s zero opposition lol

Come on, our sports are brilliant. And they do have the occasional compromise rules with Aussie rules football. And games in NY and London . I don't think we need to apologise for not having too much competition.

Rizzola95 · 15/07/2024 21:16

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 20:39

English people are not indignant that someone might not support their team. I mean, come on.’

Oh yes they are! Just read through the posts - still it’s heartening than only 30% have voted that you SHOULD have to support England if you live here 😅
Maybe Reform could add that to their mad manifesto for the next election, unless they’re planning on chucking all of us Johnny Foreigners out anyway 😀

Are these "indignant" posters in the room with you now? Is "Dave" there too? 😆

I can't get my head around someone creating an imaginary scenario and posting all day about it. What tf are you doing with your life OP 😅

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 21:17

GreyBlackLove · 15/07/2024 21:12

She responded to someone who called her scottish with a nope earlier in the thread, and referred to "the Scots" and queried a poster who suggested she move to Scotland.

Unless she's lied outright with her response it's clear she isn't Scottish.

No, I am not Scottish. But the only bit of info that really matters is NOT English and therefore NOT cheering the England men’s team 😅

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Clarabell77 · 15/07/2024 21:18

Rainbowsponge · 15/07/2024 21:12

But isn’t your first paragraph bigotry?

How is not wanting a team to win bigotry?

DanielGault · 15/07/2024 21:18

DanielGault · 15/07/2024 21:16

Come on, our sports are brilliant. And they do have the occasional compromise rules with Aussie rules football. And games in NY and London . I don't think we need to apologise for not having too much competition.

There's plenty of opposition 'lol' because it's played between 32 counties. Lol.

Rainbowsponge · 15/07/2024 21:20

DanielGault · 15/07/2024 21:18

There's plenty of opposition 'lol' because it's played between 32 counties. Lol.

Not really the same as 32 countries but okay 😁

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 21:20

‘I can't get my head around someone creating an imaginary scenario and posting all day about it. What tf are you doing with your life OP 😅’

hes even called Dave. Well, Davy mostly. Alright Dave mate - if you’re reading this I hope a little nap has sorted you out!

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Rainbowsponge · 15/07/2024 21:21

Clarabell77 · 15/07/2024 21:18

How is not wanting a team to win bigotry?

Because as you well know it’s not about ‘not wanting a team to win’, it’s about why.

lolly792 · 15/07/2024 21:22

I don't support England either. But I definitely support Dave
#teamdave
#daveforthewin
#poorbugger

DanielGault · 15/07/2024 21:23

Rainbowsponge · 15/07/2024 21:20

Not really the same as 32 countries but okay 😁

ODFOD. I'm awfully sorry that our national sports have not gained sufficient worldwide traction for you. It's something I'll just have to come to terms with, in time

GreyBlackLove · 15/07/2024 21:26

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 21:17

No, I am not Scottish. But the only bit of info that really matters is NOT English and therefore NOT cheering the England men’s team 😅

Thanks for reiterating! I was baffled so many people have posted as though you were when you've challenged the Scottish assumption a couple of times

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 21:27

DanielGault · 15/07/2024 21:23

ODFOD. I'm awfully sorry that our national sports have not gained sufficient worldwide traction for you. It's something I'll just have to come to terms with, in time

😅😅 Don’t take any lip from the people who race to catch a giant cheese down a hill because its ‘tradition’

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DanielGault · 15/07/2024 21:28

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 21:27

😅😅 Don’t take any lip from the people who race to catch a giant cheese down a hill because its ‘tradition’

True enough 😂

Shaketherombooga · 15/07/2024 21:28

GreyBlackLove · 15/07/2024 21:26

Thanks for reiterating! I was baffled so many people have posted as though you were when you've challenged the Scottish assumption a couple of times

Bizarre. So many other nationalities who don’t cheer on England - most of Europe for starters!! This fixation with Scotland is bordering on unhealthy…

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