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Filltheglass · 13/07/2024 23:44

Just nearly got assasinated!!!

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Emmanuelll · 14/07/2024 18:19

The US is in the biggest mess ever. I can only hope something happens to restore rationality and safety.
'Maybe not condemning people for not sharing their own views and in the interests of broadening one’s horizons, being more willing to listen to viewpoints which may not sit well with one’s own, might be a start.'

That ship sailed at the point of the insurrection. Where Trump (and others) would not accept the election result.

tothesea · 14/07/2024 18:19

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 14/07/2024 17:26

As we found out from the fiasco over the PoW altered family photo the press agencies check photos for digital manipulation and won’t use them if they’ve been anything other than minimally altered.

A more likely explanation a lucky angle from an experienced photographer who probably took a huge number of photos. Having stood behind a press pack at events they spend a lot of time rehearsing shots so he may have set up to get a shot of Trump coming down the steps in good circumstances and so was in the right place at the right time.
We aren’t seeing the hundreds (or even thousands)of other photos the various photographers took and discarded.

A lucky angle? It’s nowhere near him. It’s physically impossible for that flag to be in that shot.

Another2Cats · 14/07/2024 18:22

Hatfullofwillow · 14/07/2024 15:56

No. I said the far right were the biggest growing terrorist threat we face. That's according to the head of Mi5 and the FBI, but I'm sure you know better.

Only thing is though, that's not true is it?

This is what the government said in 2023:

  1. In the UK, the primary domestic terrorist threat comes from Islamist terrorism, which accounts for approximately 67% of attacks since 2018, about three quarters of MI5 caseload and 64% of those in custody for terrorism-connected offences.

[...]

  1. The remainder of the UK domestic terrorist threat is driven almost exclusively by Extreme Right-Wing Terrorism (ERWT), which amounts to approximately 22% of attacks since 2018, about a quarter of MI5 caseload and 28% of those in custody for terrorism-connected offences.

[...]

  1. Left Wing, Anarchist and Single-Issue Terrorism (LASIT) currently represents a significantly smaller terrorist threat to the UK than Islamist terrorism or ERWT and is not currently present in the UK at any significant scale (although there has been some activity that has met a terrorist threshold in recent years and MI5 investigations continue into such cases). The majority of related activity in the UK has consisted of lawful protest, and where these have involved violence, it has resulted in offences relating to public order.

Source:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/counter-terrorism-strategy-contest-2023/counter-terrorism-strategy-contest-2023-accessible

Counter-terrorism strategy (CONTEST) 2023 (accessible)

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/counter-terrorism-strategy-contest-2023/counter-terrorism-strategy-contest-2023-accessible

LivelyBlake · 14/07/2024 18:24

How the pic was taken

Washington Post photographer Jabin Botsford covered the Trump rally shooting on July 13 in Butler, Pa. Here's what he saw.

https://x.com/washingtonpost/status/1812325808683331801

Another2Cats · 14/07/2024 18:25

tothesea · 14/07/2024 18:19

A lucky angle? It’s nowhere near him. It’s physically impossible for that flag to be in that shot.

If you have a look at the flag, it is upside down.

There was a row of US flags on that side of the podium attached to dark coloured flagpoles.

It looks like one of those flags became detached at some point.

Nanaof1 · 14/07/2024 18:26

DanielGault · 14/07/2024 17:35

Sounds suspiciously like dictatorship though doesn't it! I think parties are a good thing in general, obviously they come with downsides (incessant bitching) but you have people keeping the other side in check to some extent.

If there were no parties, it could change America for the better. Forbid any donations from anyone, lobbists, business owners etc. As long as someone could garner enough signatures, each person would get a set amount for campaigning, no less, no more. They can each post their platform, their values, their views and their CV. Then there is the elimination election where only the top four vote-getters go on. In the general election, it has to be a majority vote to win, or there is a run-off.

Maybe, if we could get decent people who aren't rich to be able to run, we can actually have choices besides the "lesser of two weevils", which is how it has been for a long, long time. I, for one, would love to be able to need to decide who to vote for because at least a couple are close to my values.

Right now, I have no direction and the hatred and division done by the two major parties makes my skin crawl. Just on this thread, you will see people blaming everything on just one party. That's bull crap in all of its glory. Both sides have disgusted me, and the proclaimers of virtue on each side also make me want to vomit. But, I just smdh and face palm at their utter stupidity.

And pray for our country to wake the fuck up.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 14/07/2024 18:27

tothesea · 14/07/2024 18:19

A lucky angle? It’s nowhere near him. It’s physically impossible for that flag to be in that shot.

Give it a rest. The photo is very unlikely to have been manipulated given how widely it’s been syndicated.

If you want to assume photoshopping and other conspiracy theories I suspect X is full of the same. I am sure you will find plenty of kindred spirits.

I am going with the there was a flag above him and so a photo at a steep angle from below as Trump was on stage but the photographer wasn’t could have had both him and the flag in the frame.

Let’s agree to disagree.

Nanaof1 · 14/07/2024 18:27

Emmanuelll · 14/07/2024 18:19

The US is in the biggest mess ever. I can only hope something happens to restore rationality and safety.
'Maybe not condemning people for not sharing their own views and in the interests of broadening one’s horizons, being more willing to listen to viewpoints which may not sit well with one’s own, might be a start.'

That ship sailed at the point of the insurrection. Where Trump (and others) would not accept the election result.

It started LONG, long before that. But, how typical. smdh face palm

DanielGault · 14/07/2024 18:34

Nanaof1 · 14/07/2024 18:26

If there were no parties, it could change America for the better. Forbid any donations from anyone, lobbists, business owners etc. As long as someone could garner enough signatures, each person would get a set amount for campaigning, no less, no more. They can each post their platform, their values, their views and their CV. Then there is the elimination election where only the top four vote-getters go on. In the general election, it has to be a majority vote to win, or there is a run-off.

Maybe, if we could get decent people who aren't rich to be able to run, we can actually have choices besides the "lesser of two weevils", which is how it has been for a long, long time. I, for one, would love to be able to need to decide who to vote for because at least a couple are close to my values.

Right now, I have no direction and the hatred and division done by the two major parties makes my skin crawl. Just on this thread, you will see people blaming everything on just one party. That's bull crap in all of its glory. Both sides have disgusted me, and the proclaimers of virtue on each side also make me want to vomit. But, I just smdh and face palm at their utter stupidity.

And pray for our country to wake the fuck up.

Getting rid of parties would absolutely not get rid of donations. They might be called something else, but money makes the wheels go round. That will always be there. I don't think parties are the problem, I just think it's weird that such a massive country only has two of them. I'm from Ireland which is tiny but we have always had a few. They come and go, and there are two main parties dating back to the civil war, but for as long as I can remember there have been other parties, agitating enough to hold the big ones to some sort of account.

XChrome · 14/07/2024 18:36

Goldenbear · 14/07/2024 09:45

Why though- what difference does it make, why if you were going to vote for the Democrats would an attempted assassination make you change your mind on who to support.

It's the undecided who will choose Trump now, not the ones who have decided to vote Democrat.

XChrome · 14/07/2024 18:41

Messageinathrottle · 14/07/2024 10:34

Pretty sure that was a casual link.

Jokes cause assassination attempts? On what evidence do you make that claim?

Nanaof1 · 14/07/2024 18:44

Emmanuelll · 14/07/2024 17:26

Democrats who adore Trump? How does that work? Nevertheless I'd say that Trump pretty much has his own cult which is separate from any political affiliation.

Just as there are Republicans who would never vote for Trump, there are groups called, Dems for Trump. That's how it works.
It really ISN'T rocket science.

TheFirmBiscuit · 14/07/2024 18:46

It's Trump by a landlslide now and a probable Russian asset takes the White House for a second time. We are cursed to live in interesting times.

Messageinathrottle · 14/07/2024 18:46

XChrome · 14/07/2024 18:41

Jokes cause assassination attempts? On what evidence do you make that claim?

I don't, I just thought the other poster made quite an informal link between the two.

XChrome · 14/07/2024 18:49

BionicBadger · 14/07/2024 10:40

Unbelievable. MN has been allowing brainless, goady posts to stand for hours on this thread - celebrating this assassination attempt, pathetic conspiracy theories that it was a set up and saddos regretting that DT wasn’t killed.

But when I posted to tell a poster regretting the shooter missed that they are an ignorant arsehole inciting violence I get immediately deleted.

Excellent work @MNHQ. You really have let this thread become a bin fire.

That's because they have policies against personal attacks on other posters, not policies against unpopular opinions. However, they did delete the more outrageous ones.

XChrome · 14/07/2024 18:50

EarthSight · 14/07/2024 11:01

I wouldn't jump to conclusions right now. Humans can be, and are incompetent. They cut corners, cut costs, and people would often rather believe in a conspiracy than believe that.

I'm not taking his first bump to mean anything either. He was sheltering on the ground for a little while before that if you watch the full clip, and people behave in different ways when they're in shock. Also, not everybody even feels the same way when it comes to things like that - some people are able to remain much calmer than the average person under great stress.

Speaking as a non-Trump supporter here who thinks both of the candidates are highly embarrassing for the U.S

Agree. My dad always used to say; "Never attribute to conspiracy that which can be explained by simple incompetence."

Nanaof1 · 14/07/2024 18:55

LordPercyPercy · 14/07/2024 13:25

You realise antifa is short for anti fascist. So you're pro fascist.

No, antifa don't get to lay claim to anti-facism, as much as they might like to. If I think they're a bunch of objectionionable little twerps for protesting against, threatening and assaulting gender critical women, for instance, that doesn't make me a fascist, it makes me rational.

The idiots just picked antifa because calling themselves, "incels who like to riot and throw urine and Molotov cocktails at anyone we don't like and live in mommy's basement" wouldn't fit on their hats or undies.
They have absolutely nothing in common with the real anti-facists of the world. They just want to be able to hurt LEO, destroy stuff, burn buildings, kill and maim without being called what they really are, criminals.

Nanaof1 · 14/07/2024 19:00

LordPercyPercy · 14/07/2024 17:51

RIP Corey Comperatore, who was at the rally with his wife and daughter.

As you can read here, he will be forgotten in the cries of the ones who say they hate conspiracy theories, while promoting and parroting them quite publically.

My heart breaks for his family, but he protected them as a good man would. I wish the shooter was not dead, so he could spend his hellish life in a 6x8 cell.

XChrome · 14/07/2024 19:03

Cooper77 · 14/07/2024 12:52

Exactly. It always amuses me the way liberal-left/woke people think they’re somehow fighting ‘the system’. They are the system. To be a rebel nowadays you’d need to be a patriotic conservative! The left dominate everything. They run the BBC, the universities, the civil service, even the publishing industry. Just wander around the history section of Waterstones ffs. They might as well re-name it the ‘How Britain ruined the world’ section. Yet listen to the media and you’d think Britain was in danger from far-right thugs. Who are these ‘faaaar-right’ monsters the BBC constantly bangs on about?! I’ve never met someone with far-right views, and I’ve never seen a far-right march or demonstration. However, I have been bullied and yelled at by left-wing people - on numerous occasions.

Naturally, your narrow personal experiences represent the entire scope of all human experience. 🙄

We had hundreds of them invade and terrorize our capital city for three weeks until they were hauled off to jail. They were not going to leave unless the government stepped down. They attacked people and made the downtown unliveable due to toxic fumes and noise. They tried to set fire to an apartment building. They shut down a border crossing as well. When arrested, they had a cache of weapons, which suggests they had intended an insurrection.
It was planned and funded by Trumpers, who got agitators to rile up moronic oil roughnecks and anti-vaxxers into believing their rights were being violated. Total bullshit of course, but those kind of lunatics will believe almost anything.

Try living next door to those crazies before you say the far right is not a problem. You have no fucking idea.

TheFirmBiscuit · 14/07/2024 19:03

So it begins. The mythologising of the event.

Donald trump!!
GingerScallop · 14/07/2024 19:03

XChrome · 14/07/2024 18:50

Agree. My dad always used to say; "Never attribute to conspiracy that which can be explained by simple incompetence."

I love your dad. Can I steal his quote?

Golden407 · 14/07/2024 19:03

SoreAndTired1 · 14/07/2024 05:54

Would you say that about Hitler?

But he isn't Hitler, he's isolationist and supports US withdrawal from Nato. He wants trade and to build relations with America's traditional "enemies".
I understand he's a massive bellend but how do your equate him with Hitler??

rumblegrumble · 14/07/2024 19:05

XChrome · 14/07/2024 18:36

It's the undecided who will choose Trump now, not the ones who have decided to vote Democrat.

I think the reactions of anti-Trumpists are going to have as much of an impact as the assassination personally, I think a lot of people will feel uncomfortable about aligning themselves with people opening celebrating political violence and extreme attacks on democracy. I'm not sure if this would be enough to make me vote Trump, but after seeing many of these responses I feel a lot less convinced I'd vote Democrat. Fortunately, I am not faced with the choice.

DanielGault · 14/07/2024 19:09

rumblegrumble · 14/07/2024 19:05

I think the reactions of anti-Trumpists are going to have as much of an impact as the assassination personally, I think a lot of people will feel uncomfortable about aligning themselves with people opening celebrating political violence and extreme attacks on democracy. I'm not sure if this would be enough to make me vote Trump, but after seeing many of these responses I feel a lot less convinced I'd vote Democrat. Fortunately, I am not faced with the choice.

Was there an assassination I wasn't aware of?

Hateam · 14/07/2024 19:11

XChrome · 14/07/2024 18:49

That's because they have policies against personal attacks on other posters, not policies against unpopular opinions. However, they did delete the more outrageous ones.

Is murder just an unpopular opinion?

I never knew.

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