Donald trump!!

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Just nearly got assasinated!!!

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Slough attack:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-55622476

Birmingham I'm not sure as there seem to have been a few incidents.

No. I said the far right were the biggest growing terrorist threat we face. That's according to the head of Mi5 and the FBI, but I'm sure you know better.

This.

No. I said the far right were the biggest growing terrorist threat we face. That's according to the head of Mi5 and the FBI, but I'm sure you know better.

Realistically though, what's the death toll from far right attacks over the last two decades vs that from Islamist attacks globally? The latter utterly dwarfs the former.

The shooter is a Republican who voted in the 2022 midterms.
This is for those who claimed that the shooter pretended to be a Republican in order to find out information about Trump’s rallies

Do you genuinely think the left wing 'system' gave us 14 years of tory austerity, ineptitude and corruption or that the BBC, with its ex-tory councillor director-general was dominated by the left?

I suggest that it's your personal bias that prevents you from seeing the insidious slide to the right many countries are experiencing. No doubt if we pointed specifics out to you'd dismiss it as 'common sense'.

Some might argue that extreme Islam is far right. The far right greatly admire the Taliban.

It was hanging above him. You can see it about 45 secs into the video in this Sky News article. Because the photo is taken from below the flag is in the frame. https://news.sky.com/story/world-leaders-condemn-political-violence-after-donald-trump-shooting-13177705

That was some BB gun that was found beside the killer wasn't it.

curious then that:

"Records show he donated to a group who backed President Joe Biden on the day of the inauguration in 2020."

@tothesea here’s a screenshot of the video where the flag is clear.

That list alone doesn't really tell you anything.
e.g
Roosevelt - "At his trial, the would-be assassin claimed that William McKinley's ghost had visited him in a dream and told him to avenge his assassination by killing Roosevelt"
Regan - "Hinckley believed the attack would impress actress Jodie Foster, with whom he had developed an erotomanic obsession after viewing her in the 1976 film Taxi Driver."
Mckinley - yep, that was politically motivated.
Garfield - the killer was a bit crazy and had supported Garfield politically but felt he hadn't been properly recognised/rewarded for his assistance.
Lincoln - yes, political but in favour of the confederate cause, rather than something that fits with modern republican/liberal viewpoints

Still sound suss to you ?

Quote from @ChazsBrilliantAttitude is US President Joe Biden said "everybody must condemn" the shooting, adding: "We cannot allow this to be happening. The idea that there's violence in America like this is just unheard of."

So I’m wondering how someone taking a shot at one man is so horrific and unheard of in America but school shootings are a regular occurrence and not some kind of horrific unheard of violence. Really wonder if this will have any effect on gun control over there too.

Well, Sir David was a Conservative,so not sure the 66 labour votes relevant. I think the murder was deeply ideological: militant Islamist Vs western democracy. Looking at things in a purely UK/US Left= good guys , Right=Bad guys, just doesn't take into account actual issues and their complexities. I think most people will have some views from left and right.

Apparently there is

What you makes you think Islamic terrorists aren't far-right, at least in as much as they seem to share with far-right extremism key traits like fundamentalism, closed-mindedness, authoritarianism, and dogmatism?

Why even bring them into a discussion about leftwing versus rightwing political violence?

"When compared to individuals associated with a right-wing ideology, individuals adhering to a left-wing ideology had 68% lower odds of engaging in violent (vs. nonviolent) radical behavior (b = −1.15, SE = 0.13, odds ratio [OR] = 0.32, P < 0.001). On the other hand, the difference between individuals motivated by Islamist and right-wing causes was not significant (b = 0.05, SE = 0.14, OR = 1.05, P = 0.747). Expressed in terms of predicted probabilities, the probability of left-wing violent attack was 0.33, that of right-wing violent attack was 0.61, and that of Islamist violent attack was 0.62."

www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2122593119

He made a $15 donation at the age of 17. He may or may not have changed his views since that time. The fact that he chose to register as a Republican after that would indicate that he might have changed his mind, but at this stage, we really don't know.

I've seen what claims to be four year old footage of the shooter (does look like him) having a screaming meltdown about slashing the throats of Repulicans. But it's not confirmed. It's from a now-banned tiktok account.

There wasn't an inauguration in 2020.

Slough: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-berkshire-55622476

Birmingham: I couldn't find the multiple stabbing attack in which one man died, but did come accross this one - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/aug/22/man-arrested-after-appalling-homophobic-attack-in-birminghams-gay-village

Found it: https://gcn.ie/man-arrested-stabbings-birminghams-gay-village/

Excuse me Forbury gardens are not in slough!

"Liberal" is not a term that should be applied to the political left. The two are polar opposites

Very often, yes, but perhaps the real irony is that it's the political left cheering on this latest attack who are the first to insist Trump's an enemy of democracy

And TBF they've got a point with that last part, but what they're prepared to support shows very clearly that they actually mean "the bits of democracy I agree with"

See also the widespread comments about Trump's supporters being "thick", "brainwashed", etc. - almost as if they've never learned that you don't persuade folk to your POV by insulting them