"Prime Minister Keir Starmer recommits to £3 billion a year of military support for Ukraine until 2030/31 and for as long as needed"

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That's a huge amount of money for a war that's not going to end anytime soon.
3 BILLION a year!
3 x 1 thousand millions!
Where is this money going to come from? This is in addition to almost £12.5bn in military, humanitarian and economic support already given for Ukraine since Russia’s illegal and miscalculated full scale invasion in February 2022.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-to-stand-with-ukraine-for-as-long-as-it-takes-pm-to-tell-nato

As someone in receipt of disability benefits and really hates that it's necessary, I'm all for supporting Ukraine in its fight to remain free and in fighting against the Russian attempts to destroy the better aspects of the West.

Not only that but China is now involved in security and policing in Hungary.

https://hungarytoday.hu/chinese-police-officers-soon-on-patrol-in-hungary/

Exactly, the tories have left the nation in a fine state, now Labour are scuppering it. Bloody lefties.

Good for him !!

Might be just a tad biased as just had our second year anniversary with our fab Ukrainian 'guest' (now firmly part of our family.)

We know in a daily basis what is happening there .. if NATO allies don't support and Putin succeeds Latvia and Estonia will be next. He is a despot and a bully . Never let him win.

Negotiation on what, he had invaded a country which he had no right to, with no provocation. What would the negotiation be 'you can half of OUR country if you stop this war now!

It's very different to the gaza conflict where hammas provoked Israel and still have some of their hostages. Israel have said they will agree a ceasefire if all hostages taken last year are returned unharmed. However, I doubt Hammas will or can do this.

Russia isn't interested in just the Eastern areas of Ukraine @@TreadLight

"Russia needs to prepare to seize the entire territory of Ukraine after Moscow and Kiev sign a peace treaty and conclude the war, said Deputy Chairman of the Security Council Dmitry Medvedev.
Even after signing the papers and taking the defeat, the remaining part of the radicals [in Ukraine] after the regrouping of forces sooner or later will return to power, inspired by the Western enemies of Russia. And then the time will come to finally crush the shit, - Medvedev wrote in the telegram channel.
According to him, at this point, Russia will have to "bend a long steel nail into the lid of the Bandera quasi-state" coffin, as well as destroy the remains of its bloody heritage and return the remaining lands to the fold of the Russian land.
But the enemies of Russia will not go anywhere after that. They will save strength and wait for a new convenient reason for the destruction of our country. We must be ready for future battles to protect the Fatherland," Medvedev stressed."

https://www.moscowtimes.ru/2024/07/10/medvedev-prizval-gotovitsya-k-polnomu-zahvatu-ukraini-posle-podpisaniya-mira-s-kievom-a136344 You can hit auto-translate into English

The 'disabled bill' and national security are not mutually exclusive.. it doesn't work like that..

The disabled bill is enormous because the Tories fucked the NHS ..

Get someone in need of a couple of knee replacement fixed and they are no longer disabled.

Get someone who needs an autism diagnosis through the system and they can seek work with reasonable adjustments.

Instead of selling parts of the NHS off to private American companies for profit .

THIS IS WHERE THE MONEY GOES .. (to their shareholders) .obscene

Israel isn't Russia in this false equivalence.

@hamstersarse What negotiations would these be?

Give me half your country and I'll stop murdering you?

It would be funny if it wasn't so fucking tragic

I have been a conservative voter my whole life, up until Brexshit. I was surprised to learn that Labour have not necessarily inherited stronger economies and in fact, it is the other way around in many instances. I suggest you conduct further analysis of your figures.

Yet more money and people being thrown into the meat grinder for no good reason. Why is NATO getting involved

This isn't about Ukraine, it's about keeping Putin in check and frankly I'm far from convinced the Western powers shouldn't put boots on the ground.

Not a Starmer fan, in fact I intensely dislike him but he is right to commit to Ukraine.

For all our sakes.

I don’t need to. Look it up.

I did.

That you Nige?

For anyone who thinks that Russia isn't trying to attack:

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/11/politics/us-germany-foiled-russian-assassination-plot/index.html

US intelligence discovered earlier this year that the Russian government planned to assassinate the chief executive of a powerful German arms manufacturer that has been producing artillery shells and military vehicles for Ukraine, according to five US and western officials familiar with the episode.
The plot was one of a series of Russian plans to assassinate defense industry executives across Europe who were supporting Ukraine’s war effort, these sources said. The plan to kill Armin Papperger, a white-haired goliath who has led the German manufacturing charge in support of Kyiv, was the most mature.
When the Americans learned of the effort, they informed Germany, whose security services were then able to protect Papperger and foil the plot. A high-level German government official confirmed that Berlin was warned about the plot by the US.

I don’t even know where to start with this.

I hate the DM. But it’s a right leaning ‘paper’ and this is what it says;

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/investing/article-13604661/What-Labour-mean-investment-returns-Prime-Ministers-fared-1970.html

The Daily Mail has reported on the analysis of this. Here you go…

www.dailymail.co.uk/money/investing/article-13604661/What-Labour-mean-investment-returns-Prime-Ministers-fared-1970.html

Can I remind you of a pp PizzaHearts point:

Ukraine hosted nuclear weapons at the moment of Soviet Unions collapse and then agreed to transfer them to Russia in exchange for assurances from Russia, UK and USA to respect Ukrainian independence and sovereignty in existing borders. UK is part of this treaty. UK promised to guarantee Ukrainian independence and sovereignty.

Had we and the USA not convinced Ukraine to hand their nuclear weapons over to russia Ukraine would not have been invaded.
We guaranteed their sovereignty, under those circumstances how can anyone believe we are doing too much. We really aren't doing enough.

I'd be happy for £3 billion of military aid to go to Ukraine every year, many times more in fact. And pony up more taxes to fund it, if necessary.

I would rather pay any amount than for my son to have to fight the Russians on UK soil.

Putin won't stop with Ukraine.

I would rather pay any amount than for my son to have to fight the Russians on UK soil.

The Kremlin has already deployed weapons to the UK. Let's not forget that.

Agreed!