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Reasons you wouldn’t move to US

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Preiu · 10/07/2024 14:08

Dh has been offered a job in the US. The increase in salary would put us into a completely different wealth bracket but I really don’t want to move.

  • fear of home invasion with guns
  • school shooting - guns in general I guess
  • American exceptionalism attitude annoys me
  • Being away from family
  • Not having Europe on doorstep

Can I ask if you have any other reasons

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saltinesandcoffeecups · 20/07/2024 17:50

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/07/2024 17:12

@MissConductUS Gun crime isn't a problem anywhere in the UK.

Except these places…

Serious injury from firearms is low, and fatalities rare, with 26 deaths in 2022 - close to an all time low. Most firearms enabled serious violence continues to occur in London, West Midlands and the North West. Urban street gang activity accounts for most firearm discharges, including those that result in injury.

MissConductUS · 20/07/2024 17:50

@drspouse, the chart you show is from the California ACA exchange. Those plans are heavily subsidized so that people of low or moderate incomes won't have to get the cheapest plan. As the census data I posted shows, fewer than 10% of Americans get health insurance from the exchanges. Most have private coverage from their employers, which is usually much better.

@MissScarletInTheBallroom, isn't it? The map in this article shows concentrations of gun crime in specific areas.

Has gun crime increased in the UK?

The UK’s gun laws and regulations are notoriously strict, so much so that even deactivated weapons must go through a rigorous process and several checks to ensure that the weapon is not capable of firing live rounds. That being said, gun crime in the UK is still prevalent and rising, with 6,369 cases being reported in the year ending September 2022.

London, in particular, seems to be a problem, and knife crimes seem to be an issue too.

Number of firearm offences (excluding air weapons) in London from 2015/16 to 2022/23

Crime in England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

Crime against households and adults using data from police recorded crime and the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW).

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/crimeinenglandandwales/yearendingseptember2022/

saltinesandcoffeecups · 20/07/2024 17:51

MissConductUS · 20/07/2024 17:50

@drspouse, the chart you show is from the California ACA exchange. Those plans are heavily subsidized so that people of low or moderate incomes won't have to get the cheapest plan. As the census data I posted shows, fewer than 10% of Americans get health insurance from the exchanges. Most have private coverage from their employers, which is usually much better.

@MissScarletInTheBallroom, isn't it? The map in this article shows concentrations of gun crime in specific areas.

Has gun crime increased in the UK?

The UK’s gun laws and regulations are notoriously strict, so much so that even deactivated weapons must go through a rigorous process and several checks to ensure that the weapon is not capable of firing live rounds. That being said, gun crime in the UK is still prevalent and rising, with 6,369 cases being reported in the year ending September 2022.

London, in particular, seems to be a problem, and knife crimes seem to be an issue too.

Number of firearm offences (excluding air weapons) in London from 2015/16 to 2022/23

Jinx 🤣

britinnyc · 20/07/2024 18:09

Why is driving everywhere always posted as a negative? The U.S. is huge, it just isn’t practical to use public transport to get everywhere. But Mumsnet acts as if people in the UK never drove and walk or take the bus/train to do everything which has as many negatives as driving (setting aside the argument about cars/pollutikn/electric cars not being any better thanks to mineral mining for batteries. I am in a walkable place in the US and I do walk a lot of places. But I also drive to the supermarket etc. because who wants to carry all that stuff home (I did that living in NYC and it is terrible). A driving commute is also a lot more pleasant than a crowded train , again btdt for a long time abs quite happy to never do it again. A combo of being able to walk and drive is ideal to me and that does exist in a lot of places in the U.S. No one is trying to be defensive here btw, people are just trying to correct the generalizations and blanket untrue statements that people want to post .We aren’t all sitting here thinking the US is the greatest and politics and Trump are horrifying to many of us but at the same time the misconceptions about life in the U.S. are quite amusing. In a lot of places life really isn’t very different!

Aquamarine1029 · 20/07/2024 18:43

Preiu · 10/07/2024 14:24

yes to having to drive everywhere and the effect this has on health.

I also think the US is a bit ugly - just big retail parks everywhere and ugly billboards. Not including their landscape. In fact having lakes, mountains to explore is a draw.

This is so ignorant it's astounding.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 20/07/2024 19:03

@Aquamarine1029

Yes the US is just hideous. No green anywhere just concrete and billboards as far as the eye can see!

I picked a city that’s been in the news this week for the pictures

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Vettrianofan · 20/07/2024 19:08

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/07/2024 09:01

I think the difference with Brits is that we don't grow up swearing allegiance to the flag at school and being taught that our country is the greatest in history, and we are more likely to visit other countries on holiday so we have a better idea about what else exists beyond our own borders.

With the kind of pro US propaganda they grow up with it must come as quite a shock to find that people living in other countries don't have the same impression of the US as being the greatest country in the world.

"With the kind of pro US propaganda they grow up with it must come as quite a shock to find that people living in other countries don't have the same impression of the US as being the greatest country in the world."

A bit like those in N Korea then. They truly believe that there is no greater country in the world...

LindorDoubleChoc · 20/07/2024 19:09

britinnyc · 20/07/2024 18:09

Why is driving everywhere always posted as a negative? The U.S. is huge, it just isn’t practical to use public transport to get everywhere. But Mumsnet acts as if people in the UK never drove and walk or take the bus/train to do everything which has as many negatives as driving (setting aside the argument about cars/pollutikn/electric cars not being any better thanks to mineral mining for batteries. I am in a walkable place in the US and I do walk a lot of places. But I also drive to the supermarket etc. because who wants to carry all that stuff home (I did that living in NYC and it is terrible). A driving commute is also a lot more pleasant than a crowded train , again btdt for a long time abs quite happy to never do it again. A combo of being able to walk and drive is ideal to me and that does exist in a lot of places in the U.S. No one is trying to be defensive here btw, people are just trying to correct the generalizations and blanket untrue statements that people want to post .We aren’t all sitting here thinking the US is the greatest and politics and Trump are horrifying to many of us but at the same time the misconceptions about life in the U.S. are quite amusing. In a lot of places life really isn’t very different!

Good lord. It's perfectly simple to undertand: in many towns and cities in the UK you can walk to schools, shops, work, the doctors surgery. If you can't walk, you can often get public transport.

In the US this is less common and people make car journeys for trips that people in Europe would walk, bike or go on a tram. Not difficult to understand at all.

britinnyc · 20/07/2024 19:21

LindorDoubleChoc · 20/07/2024 19:09

Good lord. It's perfectly simple to undertand: in many towns and cities in the UK you can walk to schools, shops, work, the doctors surgery. If you can't walk, you can often get public transport.

In the US this is less common and people make car journeys for trips that people in Europe would walk, bike or go on a tram. Not difficult to understand at all.

Nowhere did I say this wasn’t the case, it is also the case in many places in the U.S. I just don’t get why driving is seen as a huge negative, there are pros and cons to both!

wordler · 20/07/2024 19:34

britinnyc · 20/07/2024 19:21

Nowhere did I say this wasn’t the case, it is also the case in many places in the U.S. I just don’t get why driving is seen as a huge negative, there are pros and cons to both!

I don’t think it’s that driving is bad - it’s that there’s often not the option.

I live about an hour and a half away from DC - there a train station a ten minute drive away that has trains going to and from the city center.

However they only run in the early morning and early evening to cater to commuters.

Last train in the AM is 7.30.

So if you want to go in and see art galleries or museums etc you have to drive in - unless you want to get up very early and then wait around for the evening trains.

It would be like living in Brighton and not being able to get to London by train during the main part of the day and having to drive into central London to do anything there.

I was amazed when I first moved here that I couldn’t easily get the train in to the city.

wordler · 20/07/2024 19:35

Oh and the last evening train is about 7.50pm so you can’t do any evening activities or even have dinner and be able to get a train back.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 20/07/2024 19:36

Vettrianofan · 20/07/2024 19:08

"With the kind of pro US propaganda they grow up with it must come as quite a shock to find that people living in other countries don't have the same impression of the US as being the greatest country in the world."

A bit like those in N Korea then. They truly believe that there is no greater country in the world...

Oh no we’re quite aware that most of the world hates us * we just don’t care.

*Until they need our military, aid, tech, entertainment, medical advancements, and pop culture

IJustFarted · 20/07/2024 19:42

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/07/2024 17:12

@MissConductUS Gun crime isn't a problem anywhere in the UK.

Instead we have rampant knife crime.

In America you're actually legally allowed to shoot back to defend yourself.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/07/2024 20:00

IJustFarted · 20/07/2024 19:42

Instead we have rampant knife crime.

In America you're actually legally allowed to shoot back to defend yourself.

Which makes you so much less likely to get murde.... Oh no, wait, the opposite is true.

Poiboi · 20/07/2024 20:02

IJustFarted · 20/07/2024 19:42

Instead we have rampant knife crime.

In America you're actually legally allowed to shoot back to defend yourself.

Fatal stabbing are more likely in the US than UK. The US has got it wrong on guns. Your downright refusal to accept this is disturbing

saltinesandcoffeecups · 20/07/2024 20:20

That’s ok @Poiboi you can stay safe in the UK. Nobody is booking your ticket to the States.

Can I ask why you are so umm emphatic about gun ownership in a country you don’t live in? Does me owning a gun affect your life personally?

Poiboi · 20/07/2024 20:25

saltinesandcoffeecups · 20/07/2024 20:20

That’s ok @Poiboi you can stay safe in the UK. Nobody is booking your ticket to the States.

Can I ask why you are so umm emphatic about gun ownership in a country you don’t live in? Does me owning a gun affect your life personally?

Because I care about facts. I have merely pointed out this narrative that US = gun crime UK = knife crime is false. And for some reason that is an affront to you.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 20/07/2024 20:40

Poiboi · 20/07/2024 20:25

Because I care about facts. I have merely pointed out this narrative that US = gun crime UK = knife crime is false. And for some reason that is an affront to you.

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Have I been offended? Huh.. I must have missed that. You’re very aggressive though on the topic so maybe you assuming I’m offended 🤷‍♀️

ETA:… Sorry affronted

IJustFarted · 20/07/2024 20:43

Poiboi · 20/07/2024 20:02

Fatal stabbing are more likely in the US than UK. The US has got it wrong on guns. Your downright refusal to accept this is disturbing

Edited

Can you make like for like comparisons comparing the whole of the UK and the whole of the USA given the size differences and that within the USA each state is different?

In the UK we're taught to give into the criminals. I'd much prefer the US method and mentality of being allowed to defend yourself and your property.

knitnerd90 · 20/07/2024 20:46

@drspouse The exchange plans are quite complicated. Subsidies are calculated based on silver tier (bronze is almost always a terrible buy). There are additional subsidies for out of pocket costs as well. So you can't judge what someone will pay by a chart.

There are gaps in the ACA. For one there is subsidy cut-off, which cuts off at an income level that sounds quite decent but isn't enough to pay the full cost of insurance, especially for a family. This hits a rather narrow slice of people who make a decent amount of money but are self employed or have employers who don't subsidise their premiums, but it's an issue. And of course the states that chose not to expand Medicaid, because if a state does that, people who should have been covered by Medicaid can't access exchange plans.

There are significant issues with the US system: the differential payments between systems, the lack of cost control, hospital consolidation, I could go on! But insurance access has improved significantly.

Public transport is an issue. I live close enough to DC to be a quick drive from a Metro station. Some cities are better than others. Older inner-ring suburbs, especially in the Northeast, are more likely to be partly walkable.

The US is ugly? That's just laughable, sorry. It's bloody massive.

Poiboi · 20/07/2024 20:56

IJustFarted · 20/07/2024 20:43

Can you make like for like comparisons comparing the whole of the UK and the whole of the USA given the size differences and that within the USA each state is different?

In the UK we're taught to give into the criminals. I'd much prefer the US method and mentality of being allowed to defend yourself and your property.

Ok you’d get some level of psychological relief from stand your ground laws and such but objectively they are deadly. I’m glad people in the UK can turn around on stranger’s drives without being shot to death.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68450159.amp

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saltinesandcoffeecups · 20/07/2024 21:01

Well yes stand your ground laws are deadly, they are designed to be. I mean that is obvious, right?

Do you know how many times I’ve turned around in people’s drive and not been shot? Or watched someone turn around in mine and not shot them?

I’ll let you guess.

Poiboi · 20/07/2024 21:12

saltinesandcoffeecups · 20/07/2024 21:01

Well yes stand your ground laws are deadly, they are designed to be. I mean that is obvious, right?

Do you know how many times I’ve turned around in people’s drive and not been shot? Or watched someone turn around in mine and not shot them?

I’ll let you guess.

Expanded self-defense laws are being used to justify killings of roommates, people who are unhoused, and in road rage incidents and child custody disputes.

Stand your ground laws are being successfully invoked in cases in which the shooter was the aggressor and in situations that could’ve been de-escalated.

Researchers at the University of Oxford and University of Pennsylvania suggests that stand your ground laws have made many parts of the U.S. more deadly. The researchers found that stand your ground was associated with up to an 11% national increase in monthly homicide rates – at least 700 additional homicides every year.

Source: pew research centre

IJustFarted · 20/07/2024 21:15

Poiboi · 20/07/2024 20:56

Ok you’d get some level of psychological relief from stand your ground laws and such but objectively they are deadly. I’m glad people in the UK can turn around on stranger’s drives without being shot to death.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68450159.amp

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I'd accept you make a fair point. This is a tragic accident and I'm glad the man was sentenced to jail.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 20/07/2024 21:17

Poiboi · 20/07/2024 21:12

Expanded self-defense laws are being used to justify killings of roommates, people who are unhoused, and in road rage incidents and child custody disputes.

Stand your ground laws are being successfully invoked in cases in which the shooter was the aggressor and in situations that could’ve been de-escalated.

Researchers at the University of Oxford and University of Pennsylvania suggests that stand your ground laws have made many parts of the U.S. more deadly. The researchers found that stand your ground was associated with up to an 11% national increase in monthly homicide rates – at least 700 additional homicides every year.

Source: pew research centre

And yet the vast majority of legal gun owners aren’t out pretending they are Wyatt Earp or Annie Oakley.

Once again why are you trying so hard to prove this point?

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