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Reasons you wouldn’t move to US

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Preiu · 10/07/2024 14:08

Dh has been offered a job in the US. The increase in salary would put us into a completely different wealth bracket but I really don’t want to move.

  • fear of home invasion with guns
  • school shooting - guns in general I guess
  • American exceptionalism attitude annoys me
  • Being away from family
  • Not having Europe on doorstep

Can I ask if you have any other reasons

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Pandadunks · 10/07/2024 16:28

IJustFarted · 10/07/2024 16:18

I'd happily move to the USA. I'm not worried about the guns.

If I moved to the USA I'd definitely try and get a concealed licence.

I have an American friend who just shot and killed a home invader.

Brilliant. A fantastic example of the gun issue. The people who really want a gun, especially the big guns, are the very people who shouldn’t be let near a fire arm.

OVienna · 10/07/2024 16:29

HolyMolyAnne · 10/07/2024 16:12

I moved to America years ago, and it has been lovely. Sorry to upset your thinly-disguised America-bashing thread.

Reasons I wouldn’t move back to the UK:

Terrible weather
Terrible salary
Can't do attitude
Intrusive in-laws
Houses too small
Zero sun
NHS 'care'
terrible schools

Here I have international Art, Science, Natural History, Space museums, loads of parks, walkways and cycle ways, and delicious food on tap! Incredible local wildlife and warm/hot most of the year round, My kids have had an incredible education, in one of the US public schools so despised by mumsnetters who are too frightened to do anything, including opening their own doors. Positive, outward looking kids. It’s amazing to see a big group of teens together and know they are going to be respectful and courteous instead of knowing they are going to swear at me and be just plain nasty (happened many times in the UK). I am lucky, though, as I live in one of the best suburbs in the country. Here to stay.

What is the point of being so chippy? The OP is entitled to ask for views on this. You think her husband doesn't really have a job offer and it's all made up as a wind up? In which case, report a troll.

Shellyleppard1 · 10/07/2024 16:30

The weather, guns, cost of living/medical bills, the politics and the attitude towards homosexuals. Some partsare lovely but ....nothanks

SiobhanSharpe · 10/07/2024 16:30

Sadly it’s not just school shootings, though. Mass shootings can and do happen at the mall, in nightclubs, on the street, on campus and in places of worship.
Yes, the chances of getting caught up in one are rare, thank goodness.

Notinhampshirenow · 10/07/2024 16:30

OP it depends where you live. Pick a liberal state with good schools (nich.com) and ensure you have good health insurance. I moved here 6 years ago with 3 kids and we have loved it. Education system (public and free) knocks spots of what we had in leafy Home Counties, I fear guns far less than I feared my kids getting mugged/stabbed for trainers on way into town in the UK. I pay $25 to see a dr but I can see one the same day. My daughter had surgery for a concerning issue that could have been quite serious and we had the problem identified and sorted in weeks - it cost $2000. When you consider our top rate of tax in the uk would have been 45% and here it is much less (in the 30’s) the difference more than covers even the most extreme health care costs. People are open, friendly and want to know you.

NeedthatFridayfeeling · 10/07/2024 16:30

No advice OP but feeling very sorry for the Americans right now having their country torn to shreds. It has it's faults, all counties do.
Personally I wouldn't uproot my daughter and move anywhere, unless i had to.
I do love the parts of the US i have been to, parts of California, Oregon, Washington and Hawaii and i am very much looking forward to exploring more of the country. There is breath taking landscape and everyone we met were so friendly, also had some fantastic food at restaurants.

Timeforanotherchangeofname · 10/07/2024 16:34

I’m a Brit and I’ve been living in the US for 10 years, in one if the mountain states.

In all honesty, I worry more about the terrible drivers than I do about guns. Healthcare is a bureaucratic nightmare but in my experience is pretty decent - make sure the job is offering good health insurance. Cost of living is much much higher than it was even 2 years ago. If you’re in an eastern state then it’s only a 6-7 hour flight to the UK and there’s lots of them - it’s definitely trickier out west. Where you live is key- I would not live in the southern states because of the humidity.

In saying that, there are a lot of negatives apart from the obvious one of missing family. Politics is a big one. I work in a red area, and the evangelicals have way too much influence. If Trump gets in, which is worryingly likely, healthcare and women’s rights will be gutted. Poverty will skyrocket. Racism is already pretty open and will get even worse.

A major negative that I’ve encountered is the irreversible damage to my career and my self esteem. I had a good career in the UK, now I work in a crappy customer service job which is high stress, crap pay, very poor benefits. I am burnt out but can’t get anything else.

It’s hard to have friendships here too. All the friends I’ve had here were other trailing spouses, who’ve all moved back to their home countries. There’s no one to call up for a coffee, go for a night out, help out in a crisis. It’s extremely lonely and I’m acutely aware that if the shit hits the fan I’m on my own, apart from my husband.

I don’t regret coming here, but I do regret staying. Think very, very carefully before you do it. Come and visit the area you would be living in (a decent company will pay for a sussing-out trip and will set you up with a relocation agent who can take you round houses, schools, answer questions about practicalities such are getting your SSN and driving licence, etc). If you do want to move forward, find out what kind of visa you’d be applying for, and whether it gives you, as the trailing spouse, the right to apply for an Employment Authorization Document (EAD). Does the company have access to a specific bank or credit union, so you can get accounts, credit cards, car loans quickly? Your UK credit history counts for nothing and it’s a lot harder to get up and running without banking access. Will they set you up with an apartment to start with? Renting a place with no credit history is extremely hard.

Good luck whatever you decide.

MikeRafone · 10/07/2024 16:34

I like living in the U.K.

there isn’t a gun culture in uk
the weather doesn’t cause such disastrous conditions
uk has a free at source National Health service
uk is better placed for travel to mainland European countries & Asia

user1471538283 · 10/07/2024 16:35

My concerns are:

Guns. I can't get my head around anyone can buy them and after constant shootings nothing is done about it.

Healthcare including access to birth control and abortion. My DF had cancer and his morphine must have cost more than my house but we have the NHS. The pro life decisions only focus on the baby being born, there's no support after that.

Quality of food. My American friends are amazed by the quality of everything we and the rest of Europe have and how dietary restrictions are catered for virtually everywhere. Whilst food was less expensive there I don't think it is now. When we were there it was all about quantity rather than quality.

Paid leave. My friend's DM worked for the same company for 15 years to get 15 days paid leave.

Sickness leave. I don't even know if this exists.

How conservative even those disadvantaged are.

How quickly you could sink. You'd only have to lose your job or become sick or the financial crash of 2008 and that would be it.

poetryandwine · 10/07/2024 16:36

CactusMactus · 10/07/2024 16:27

Brit who lived in NYC for 5 years here... I found the people quite unpleasant and one dimensional.
Very into money, status etc.

I ended up only really bonding with other immigrants from across Europe.

Oh and Americans outside of East / West coast all dress really badly...

This PP has just dissed a number of wonderful boutiques in Phoenix, Chicago, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and a number of other towns and cities I am sure. Her ignorance is showing.

Nanny0gg · 10/07/2024 16:40

Preiu · 10/07/2024 14:24

yes to having to drive everywhere and the effect this has on health.

I also think the US is a bit ugly - just big retail parks everywhere and ugly billboards. Not including their landscape. In fact having lakes, mountains to explore is a draw.

Well I would have thought ( ignoring the other reasons for the moment) that Connecticut would be quite an attractive place to live

needsomewarmsunshine · 10/07/2024 16:41

My dd is emigrating next month to marry her fiance in Kentucky. She has visited 3 times before and says how different it is. She is savvy though and will take it in her stride.

EllenLRipley · 10/07/2024 16:42

Biden
Trump

MonicaGB · 10/07/2024 16:43

Lack of pork pies 🥧

Pandadunks · 10/07/2024 16:43

needsomewarmsunshine · 10/07/2024 16:41

My dd is emigrating next month to marry her fiance in Kentucky. She has visited 3 times before and says how different it is. She is savvy though and will take it in her stride.

Jesus, please tell me she isn’t planning on living in Kentucky?? That’s going to be one hell of a culture shock!

Tarragon123 · 10/07/2024 16:43

Preiu · 10/07/2024 14:24

yes to having to drive everywhere and the effect this has on health.

I also think the US is a bit ugly - just big retail parks everywhere and ugly billboards. Not including their landscape. In fact having lakes, mountains to explore is a draw.

There are amazing National Parks in the US, 63 of them.

If you are living in NY or CT then you have promiximity to NYC for shows, music etc.

NY and CT allow abortions. I'm not suggesting for one minute that you want need one, however, given that women have been questioned over miscarriages, I would not want any woman of child bearing age that was a friend of mine to live in a state that didnt allow abortions.

Delatron · 10/07/2024 16:44

We had a similar job offer for DH when the kids were small. For NYC or surrounding area.

There are many reasons I wouldn’t want to go (and didn’t) the gun issue was the main one. I couldn’t wave my children off to school every day for the rest of their school life wondering if they would get shot.

And yes statistically it’s a low chance but obviously it wouldn’t cross my mind here. But the main reason is that Americans seem fine with this. They are completely desensitised to kids getting shot and will defend it - you see it on here. What a place!

There are other reasons but I won’t dilute my above argument as I feel so strongly about a country that does nothing about children getting shot at school. Therefore I couldn’t live there.

Boomer55 · 10/07/2024 16:44

My son married an American woman and has lived in the US for 15 years. He loves it.

He lives in a good area, with private security, in a lovely house, and has decent health insurance though.

He flies over here once a year.👍

candyisdandybutliquorisquicker · 10/07/2024 16:45

mitogoshi · 10/07/2024 15:14

@candyisdandybutliquorisquicker

You have never lived in the USA then, fighting with your insurance company over everything, paying for every drs appointment, over treatment. I reckon I spent 1-2 hours per week chasing up drs, insurance, state insurance system etc whereas it just worked in the uk (dc with Sen)

You must have missed my opening sentence that I've lived in the US for 20 years. I'm sorry that your healthcare experience has been so difficult but in my experience that is not typical at all.

Thisismetooaswell · 10/07/2024 16:46

Doodlydoo · 10/07/2024 14:14

The school shootings would be the main one for me. Even though the chances of something happening aren't huge, all schools will do practice drills and classroom lockdowns etc. I just wouldn't want my child growing up doing that, I can't imagine how that must mess up their brains, preparing for the possibility they might be shot in a classroom.

Drills like that happen in UK schools too. Just less frequently

IncompleteSenten · 10/07/2024 16:48

My husband is black.
Our sons are mixed race and autistic.

No part of that ends well for them.

Luxell934 · 10/07/2024 16:49

Guns would be the main one for me if I had school age children.

Also well, Trump.

cloudy477654 · 10/07/2024 16:50

It wouldn't be for me tbh. A good friend of mine lives there, she loves it but you should do your research on how much better off you would be financially because cost of living is higher there, much higher depending where you're living, property prices are higher and then there's healthcare to think about.
I would probably consider it short term but not forever.

cloudy477654 · 10/07/2024 16:51

Preiu · 10/07/2024 14:18

We would probably be in Connecticut or NY state.

Attitude to work would concern me in this area. They have a really bad work culture in the north east especially around holiday and being available 24/7

CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 10/07/2024 16:52

Pandadunks · 10/07/2024 16:43

Jesus, please tell me she isn’t planning on living in Kentucky?? That’s going to be one hell of a culture shock!

If she's around Lexington she'll be fine, it's prosperous and pretty liberal (fingers crossed for her)

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