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To wish Sir Keir and his wife would not hold hands when working

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BeaQuiet · 10/07/2024 10:23

They've arrived in Washington DC on official business clutching hands like the Macrons, the Obamas and the Sussexes.

AiBU to find it a bit cringey?

And before anyone asks, yes I do have bigger things to worry about but I fancy a chat.

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cardibach · 10/07/2024 14:04

IcedPurple · 10/07/2024 14:02

I asked a question, so I'm not sure why you're being so unpleasant.

I don't keep tabs on the trailing spouses at NATO events, no.

Where was I unpleasant?
I don’t ’keep tabs’ on spouses either. But I do watch the news and therefore remember seeing spouses at them before.

prettybird · 10/07/2024 14:05

Which of BJ's children @BIWI Wink

parkrun500club · 10/07/2024 14:07

I think they are told to, so they have something to do with their hands. That isn't cringey.

It's cringey when grown adults won't let go hands to let you pass on a pavement, though.

fungipie · 10/07/2024 14:08

Likewhatever · 10/07/2024 13:32

I don’t care that the Macrons, Sussexes or Obamas do it.

The PM is not there as part of a pair. Mrs PM is not the First Lady.

Like whatever!

They just can't win, can they. Totally disagree with OP.

pikkumyy77 · 10/07/2024 14:09

I love the way the pecksniffs are suddenly all “just asking questions” and “don’t really pay attention “ when they are joining in the tut tuttery so happily.

@IcedPurple ’s JAQ’ing off is just a typical faux innocent pile on. Of course male spouses go along to these events. As was widely reported at the time.

BustingBaoBun · 10/07/2024 14:09

At the G7 summit in 2021 in Cornwall, all the spouses of those attending were there. There's lots of pictures out there of it. Carrie got married just before so she wouldn't feel awkward, I think there's pics of her strolling along the beach with Macron's wife!

poppymango · 10/07/2024 14:09

cardibach · 10/07/2024 14:01

They aren’t walking from meeting to meeting and won’t be going to the same events. They are literally coming down plane steps after arriving. Nobody is ‘at work’ yet. Watch the coverage. I bet at the very least 90% of the leaders hold hands with their spouse at some point.

I disagree. They’re not on holiday, they’re arriving in a professional capacity with the cameras of the national press on them. “Working” for them is not the same as “working” for us (ie going into the office).

It’s obviously a conscious decision to present a united front and to tell the world how they want to be perceived as a couple.

And yes of course world leaders hold hands with their spouses 😂

OverheardInLidl · 10/07/2024 14:11

BIWI · 10/07/2024 13:19

My mum used to say, couples who act overly affectionate in public constantly are usually trying to hide the fact that there are problems in the marital home.

OMG! Married for almost 34 years and DH and I still hold hands. I shall divorce him forthwith.

Do you do it every second, every minute, every time you are out in public?

cardibach · 10/07/2024 14:12

poppymango · 10/07/2024 14:09

I disagree. They’re not on holiday, they’re arriving in a professional capacity with the cameras of the national press on them. “Working” for them is not the same as “working” for us (ie going into the office).

It’s obviously a conscious decision to present a united front and to tell the world how they want to be perceived as a couple.

And yes of course world leaders hold hands with their spouses 😂

So ‘of course world leaders hold hands with their spouses’, but Starmer doing it is unprofessional and inappropriate. You’re going to have to explain your thinking on that one.

pointythings · 10/07/2024 14:13

IcedPurple · 10/07/2024 14:02

I asked a question, so I'm not sure why you're being so unpleasant.

I don't keep tabs on the trailing spouses at NATO events, no.

We're perhaps a little bit annoyed because as always, people of a certain political persuasion are looking to slate a brand new PM with trivial , inaccurate and hypocritical comments instead of going for policy. 5 minutes in and the smearing and sneering is full on. Sore losers aplenty on MN.

cardibach · 10/07/2024 14:15

OverheardInLidl · 10/07/2024 14:11

Do you do it every second, every minute, every time you are out in public?

Do the Starmers?
Oh look! No they don’t!

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cardibach · 10/07/2024 14:16

pointythings · 10/07/2024 14:13

We're perhaps a little bit annoyed because as always, people of a certain political persuasion are looking to slate a brand new PM with trivial , inaccurate and hypocritical comments instead of going for policy. 5 minutes in and the smearing and sneering is full on. Sore losers aplenty on MN.

Ah, but I’m reliably informed that it’s only ‘the left’ who are bitter or insulting or sore losers. Odd.

OverheardInLidl · 10/07/2024 14:16

Waffle78 · 10/07/2024 13:29

I don't think it's cringey. When Trump walked in front of Queen Elizabeth now that was cringey.

As for those saying why does she have to go to the US. She's the first lady. She might not be PM but she is supporting her husband in his new role.

That wasn't cringey when DT did that it was just downright rude. Not even because she was the queen, but because you just don't do that to an elderly woman whoever they are.

pikkumyy77 · 10/07/2024 14:16

pointythings · 10/07/2024 14:13

We're perhaps a little bit annoyed because as always, people of a certain political persuasion are looking to slate a brand new PM with trivial , inaccurate and hypocritical comments instead of going for policy. 5 minutes in and the smearing and sneering is full on. Sore losers aplenty on MN.

Precisely.

BustingBaoBun · 10/07/2024 14:17

cardibach how dare they not hold hands! That marriage is in trouble I tell you!

(p.s. She is an attractive woman isn't she)

fungipie · 10/07/2024 14:17

OverheardInLidl · 10/07/2024 14:11

Do you do it every second, every minute, every time you are out in public?

No, neither do the Starmers.

Sounds like some Laura K's have joined us here!

CarolinaInTheMorning · 10/07/2024 14:18

OverheardInLidl · 10/07/2024 14:16

That wasn't cringey when DT did that it was just downright rude. Not even because she was the queen, but because you just don't do that to an elderly woman whoever they are.

That look on her face in some of the photos was priceless, though.

poppymango · 10/07/2024 14:18

cardibach · 10/07/2024 14:12

So ‘of course world leaders hold hands with their spouses’, but Starmer doing it is unprofessional and inappropriate. You’re going to have to explain your thinking on that one.

Because they are in a professional environment.

Being photographed holding hands by paparazzi while you’re in Cornwall on your holidays, or in the park with your kids, is one thing. Holding hands when you’re on duty and in work mode and you know the press are going to be there is quite different.

It’s the same reason we rarely saw any PDA between the late Queen and Prince Philip. It wasn’t because they didn’t like each other, it’s because 99% of the time if the cameras were on them they were in work mode and it was considered unprofessional.

pointythings · 10/07/2024 14:18

cardibach · 10/07/2024 14:16

Ah, but I’m reliably informed that it’s only ‘the left’ who are bitter or insulting or sore losers. Odd.

Yes, the thread about how conservatives are more gracious in defeat is looking more like comedy gold by the minute.

Melisha · 10/07/2024 14:19

@poppymango The Queen is not the Prime Minister. The Queen also has people curtsying to her, no one curtsy's to Prime Ministers.
Leaders around the world hold hands with their spouse in these situations. It is normal.

BIWI · 10/07/2024 14:20

OverheardInLidl · 10/07/2024 14:11

Do you do it every second, every minute, every time you are out in public?

Really?! What a puerile question.

cardibach · 10/07/2024 14:20

poppymango · 10/07/2024 14:18

Because they are in a professional environment.

Being photographed holding hands by paparazzi while you’re in Cornwall on your holidays, or in the park with your kids, is one thing. Holding hands when you’re on duty and in work mode and you know the press are going to be there is quite different.

It’s the same reason we rarely saw any PDA between the late Queen and Prince Philip. It wasn’t because they didn’t like each other, it’s because 99% of the time if the cameras were on them they were in work mode and it was considered unprofessional.

I was talking about at the summit, and all similar events. They hold hands. Maybe they’re told to, maybe they want to, but they all do it. It’s not unprofessional. It’s normal.
The Royal family have self imposed (daft) rules about it I believe, but actually their lives ARE the job. For Starmer the job is the political management of the country so he’s not at work unless he’s in a meeting, not really.

OverheardInLidl · 10/07/2024 14:21

pikkumyy77 · 10/07/2024 13:34

Right on @DramaLlamaBangBang !

This post is the kind of tone policing that happens all the time when someone new comes into politics: women, POC, Labour. They are treated as “doing it wrong” for some subtle, minor, reason that is at once nothing and also blown up to enormous symbolic value.

In the US Mrs Obama was pilloried for being photographed in a sleeveless dress—popularized by Jackie Kennedy but a sign of a kind of unseriousness and unfitness when worn by the first African American first lady. Obama was attacked for wearing a tan suit. Or putting his feet up in the Oval office.

The accusation that Labour or women or POC don’t know how to comport themselves as representatives of the country is a kind of delegitimizing of democratic leaders who don’t come from traditional bastions of power—or who do (like keir starmer) but who represent constituents who may come from diverse backgrounds. This method of holding women, POC, new leaders to invisible standards of perfection is really dsmaging.

As Dramalama observed above the capers of Boris Johnson were not as despised as the mere handholding incident.
As for the sudden cost consciousness (I object to my tax money paying for her!) why don’t you investigate? In the US there are quite strict rules about who pays for what when the families of politicians are involved. Usually these expenses must be paid for by the politician. But if you look closely at press coverage you will see that its only an issue when outsider/democratic politicians take office. Both the Clintons snd the Obamas were badgered snd put under a microscope for things like a playset for their children (they paid) when no stories were written about household costs at sll for the republican presidents.

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I'm not sure this really applies here. Most (if not all) here are women, some of us are POC and some of us are labour voters. Doesn't mean we can't find constant PDA's cringey though.

poppymango · 10/07/2024 14:23

Melisha · 10/07/2024 14:19

@poppymango The Queen is not the Prime Minister. The Queen also has people curtsying to her, no one curtsy's to Prime Ministers.
Leaders around the world hold hands with their spouse in these situations. It is normal.

It’s not just leaders, it’s anyone at all when in a work capacity. Hence my comment earlier about imagining my manager and his wife constantly holding hands while walking around the office.