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To wish Sir Keir and his wife would not hold hands when working

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BeaQuiet · 10/07/2024 10:23

They've arrived in Washington DC on official business clutching hands like the Macrons, the Obamas and the Sussexes.

AiBU to find it a bit cringey?

And before anyone asks, yes I do have bigger things to worry about but I fancy a chat.

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BIossomtoes · 10/07/2024 14:24

poppymango · 10/07/2024 14:23

It’s not just leaders, it’s anyone at all when in a work capacity. Hence my comment earlier about imagining my manager and his wife constantly holding hands while walking around the office.

If you can’t see the difference there’s no hope for you.

OverheardInLidl · 10/07/2024 14:26

Longma · 10/07/2024 13:43

My mum used to say, couples who act overly affectionate in public constantly are usually trying to hide the fact that there are problems in the marital home.

Is holding hands 'overly affectionate' though. I doubt anyone would find a couple holding hands as being OTT affection!

I've seen couples in their 90s, married for 60+ years, holding hands.

Do you really think that all the thousands of couples around the world who hold hands all have lots of marital problems? More so than those who walk further apart, not holding hands? It would be ridiculous to think that, surely?

Not if its natural, but if they can't seem to be able to go anywhere without gripping their partner for dear life of being all over them like a rash then something is wrong. As I mentioned upthread, the Obamas held hands and it appeared natural. The Sussexes it seems forced and unnatural. There's a difference.

CarolinaInTheMorning · 10/07/2024 14:26

Hence my comment earlier about imagining my manager and his wife constantly holding hands while walking around the office.

That would be odd, but that's not what Sir Keir and Lady Starmer are doing.

pinkdelight · 10/07/2024 14:27

His wife's not in work mode. She works in the NHS. It's not her job to be his wife. Some PM's wives take that role on as a job, but she's made it clear she's not doing that - didn't do so on the campaign trail and is only with him occasionally for these things as his partner. So there's no 'work mode' to finger wag at her.

pikkumyy77 · 10/07/2024 14:27

OverheardInLidl · 10/07/2024 14:21

I'm not sure this really applies here. Most (if not all) here are women, some of us are POC and some of us are labour voters. Doesn't mean we can't find constant PDA's cringey though.

Just because you are unconscious of the nature of this complaint that you are making doesn’t make you any the less a part if the cultural issues involved.

Ontopofthesunset · 10/07/2024 14:29

They're obviously consciously holding hands because they know the world's press are there. It is a staged photo op, though to be fair it looks as if they like each other too. I'm sure all the other handholding couples (see previous posts and news reports for at least the last 10 years passim) have made deliberate choices too. Just like Rishi Sunak and Askshata Murty made the deliberate choice to hold hands as they left Downing Street.

betterangels · 10/07/2024 14:30

They like and support each other. Shock horror.

BeaQuiet · 10/07/2024 14:31

FluentRubyDog · 10/07/2024 10:34

Here are your victorian smelling salts... When you gather your wits a bit, appreciate the fact that the man has one of the toughest jobs to do in one of the toughest situations for avery long while. If a handhold helps him through, by all means, go for it. At least he's not behaving like Boris!

Crikey, I hope our new PM can do his job without his wife holding his hand!

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OverheardInLidl · 10/07/2024 14:32

cardibach · 10/07/2024 14:15

Do the Starmers?
Oh look! No they don’t!

I never said they did. I was referring to those who do.

cardibach · 10/07/2024 14:33

OverheardInLidl · 10/07/2024 14:32

I never said they did. I was referring to those who do.

Edited

It was the clear implication in context. If that wasn’t what you meant, what did you mean?

poppymango · 10/07/2024 14:35

Ontopofthesunset · 10/07/2024 14:29

They're obviously consciously holding hands because they know the world's press are there. It is a staged photo op, though to be fair it looks as if they like each other too. I'm sure all the other handholding couples (see previous posts and news reports for at least the last 10 years passim) have made deliberate choices too. Just like Rishi Sunak and Askshata Murty made the deliberate choice to hold hands as they left Downing Street.

Indeed, and I think this is the real difference.

It doesn’t bother me, but I was raised to believe PDA while in any kind of work capacity is broadly inappropriate - and this is what OP asked.

OverheardInLidl · 10/07/2024 14:38

pikkumyy77 · 10/07/2024 14:27

Just because you are unconscious of the nature of this complaint that you are making doesn’t make you any the less a part if the cultural issues involved.

Who said I was unconscious of the issues you mentioned?

cardibach · 10/07/2024 14:38

poppymango · 10/07/2024 14:35

Indeed, and I think this is the real difference.

It doesn’t bother me, but I was raised to believe PDA while in any kind of work capacity is broadly inappropriate - and this is what OP asked.

It’s not a work capacity any more than going to, say, a works dinner is a work capacity. Would people seriously not hold hands or show affection of any sort to a spouse at a works dinner?

BeaQuiet · 10/07/2024 14:39

MeouwCat · 10/07/2024 11:05

The lady with M. Macron, that's his wife? I thought that was his Mum, and she was holding his hand because he was upset about the far right. 😀

Don't be a tit. You know perfectly well she's his wife.

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OverheardInLidl · 10/07/2024 14:40

Ontopofthesunset · 10/07/2024 14:29

They're obviously consciously holding hands because they know the world's press are there. It is a staged photo op, though to be fair it looks as if they like each other too. I'm sure all the other handholding couples (see previous posts and news reports for at least the last 10 years passim) have made deliberate choices too. Just like Rishi Sunak and Askshata Murty made the deliberate choice to hold hands as they left Downing Street.

Exactly. This is the difference.

OverheardInLidl · 10/07/2024 14:40

cardibach · 10/07/2024 14:33

It was the clear implication in context. If that wasn’t what you meant, what did you mean?

🙄

Perplexed20 · 10/07/2024 14:41

Yabu

BeaQuiet · 10/07/2024 14:41

BustingBaoBun · 10/07/2024 11:11

I'm confused why KS is getting criticism for this when Sunak, Johnson, Major, Cameron, Obama, Biden, all have been filmed holding hands with their other half.
If it's wrong for Starmer, it's wrong for them too

Read the OP.

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cardibach · 10/07/2024 14:41

OverheardInLidl · 10/07/2024 14:40

🙄

No, really…what was the relevance if it wasn’t to compare what @BIWI had said about her relationship with the Starmers? Don’t hide behind an eye roll.

nopenotplaying · 10/07/2024 14:42

YABU they are probably leaning on each other for support - huge change of lifestyle!

CarolinaInTheMorning · 10/07/2024 14:43

I was raised to believe PDA while in any kind of work capacity is broadly inappropriate - and this is what OP asked.

Someone should have told these guys.

To wish Sir Keir and his wife would not hold hands when working
Gettingbysomehow · 10/07/2024 14:44

My exH wanted to hold hands all the time too, ALL THE TIME it was absolutely suffocating. I often wondered if I ought to offer him a boob as well.

cardibach · 10/07/2024 14:44

nopenotplaying · 10/07/2024 14:42

YABU they are probably leaning on each other for support - huge change of lifestyle!

While there may be an element of that, the Macron’s still hold hands and they aren’t newbies. The Obamas hold hands. Cameron and his wife s
used to. Google images of any political leader and their spouse and you’ll see loads of hand holding pictures. It’s a bit of a convention I think now, but I do feel like the Starmers would do it anyway. It looks natural.

IClaudine · 10/07/2024 14:47

Is this what MN is going to be like for the next 5 years? Nitpicking over every single teeny tiny thing Starmer does?

Starmer and his wife seem to genuinely care for each other. That is a good thing.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 10/07/2024 14:48

pinkdelight · 10/07/2024 14:27

His wife's not in work mode. She works in the NHS. It's not her job to be his wife. Some PM's wives take that role on as a job, but she's made it clear she's not doing that - didn't do so on the campaign trail and is only with him occasionally for these things as his partner. So there's no 'work mode' to finger wag at her.

She clearly doesn’t work for the NHS at the moment she’s pictured with him and she accompanies him on a work function, so one can argue that she does perform a job for him.

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