Some People In Prison Shouldn’t Be Allowed Visitors.

[Molone]

Tonight I read the horrific story of a baby and his aunt being killed in a drink/driving incident.
Today the driver was sentenced to 17 years. While he will still be allowed to see his family weekly for visits, this poor mother will never hold her baby or see her sister again. What happened to them was horrific.

Why should he be allowed to see his loved ones when he has deprived her of the same? He should be locked up to serve his sentence alone and so should all the other killers of a similar nature.

No. Sorry, but people in prison will one day be out amongst us again and while this fucker appears to feel no remorse, hopefully he will one day accept responsibility for his actions and that will make him a better person.
Dehumanising prisoners is to the detriment of society.

Another reason why people shouldn't be allowed to drink on planes either.
Notice he lost his licence for 21 years too.
Why not forever?
It's like this country is just too scared to come down hard on people.

Just because you feel a certain way, doesn't mean it's 'human nature',
I don't feel that way and nor do many others.
Your (and the others expressing similar desires) says more about you than him.

No such place

Because the punishment for his crime is the loss of his liberty, not the loss of contact with his own loved ones. His family would also potentially suffer from this, and they are innocent. He is also a person for whom it would be anticipated there would be rehabilitation and reform. This is far more likely to be achieved if he has a life to rehabilitate himself for, and family visits also act as a carrot to help control behaviour in prison. Take everything away from a person and they've nothing left to lose, which makes people more of a problem to society rather than less, both inside and outside of prison.

I hope - but doubt - his driving licence has been removed forever.

Judge gave him a 21.5yr driving ban but reports differ as to whether that is concurrent or consecutive to his sentence.

"Police found an empty vodka bottle in the wreckage of his car."

"He had been using WhatsApp while he drove and took a photograph on his phone in which Ms Warner's Peugeot could be seen, showing the speedometer at 141mph, moments before the crash."

"Analysis of the Audi's computer showed he had the accelerator fully depressed, did not brake before impact, and that a collision warning light was illuminated on the dashboard."

What an utter piece of shit.

I didn't know this. I thought at least he got 17 years - I know of another drunk driving case where someone killed two teenage girls and only got 6 years, so was out in 3 - so was glad this lowlife had a reasonably commensurate sentence for what he had done.

There's an argument for a whole life term in this sort of case, it's pretty close to murder.

It wasn't a mistake. If he'd momentarily lost concentration eg by adjusting his radio - THAT would have been a mistake.

When you go out and drive while drunk, that is a choice. You are reckless as to whether you kill or injure someone. It is way more serious than a mistake.

Majority of people are able to drive to the laws of the roads.

They are not! It's mercifully rare that it's as egregious as this, but speeding and other road traffic offences are prolific, and offenders rarely face justice.

Generally it's proven that strong punishments eg life long imprisonment and death penalties don't improve offending rates
@Hasbean2 there is another point to incarceration that you didn’t cover. Public protection. While he remains under lock and key, he cannot jump into another car while drunk (given his record, he would do it again, given the opportunity).

And while I'm not saying that I'm in favour of the death penalty (risk of miscarriage of justice etc.), it's also true that no corpse ever reoffended.

Just keep them all locked up so they cannot reoffend and law-abiders are kept safe. Bring back the death penalty for the most heinous criminals.

Basically the legal system should be run for the benefit of law-abiders. The wishes and wellbeing of criminals should be at the bottom of the list of priorities. They chose to break the law, they have to live with the consequences of their actions.

I really don't understand the thinking behind the OP. Which "people in prison" shouldn't be allowed visitors? And why? Which crimes are you targetting OP? All prisoners have been convicted of something after all, and the prison is the punishment. Why should some prisoners get extra punishment?

(FWIW, yes he's scrum, and if I were his family I'd be cutting him off and not visiting, but that's beside the point really).

Yikes

You believe what you like, but children of prisoners have a host of improved outcomes via maintaining contact with their fathers vs those who do not.

Because collective punishment and punishment of relatives fir someone else's crimes is not the stuff of civilised societies. It flies in the face of human rights law. It is North Korea style behaviour!

I'm not really sure why you specifically target a drunk driver.... I'm not remote excusing it, and actually think sentences for drink driving should possibly be higher. But drink driving is an act of impossibly selfish stupidity. It's not an act of deliberate evil like when someone deliberately plans to and goes out to kill or rape someone. Or the systematic abuse of children over many years. There are far worse criminals in prison than this drunk driver. And they all get visits from their family, if their family still wants to know them.