Some People In Prison Shouldn’t Be Allowed Visitors.

[Molone]

Tonight I read the horrific story of a baby and his aunt being killed in a drink/driving incident.
Today the driver was sentenced to 17 years. While he will still be allowed to see his family weekly for visits, this poor mother will never hold her baby or see her sister again. What happened to them was horrific.

Why should he be allowed to see his loved ones when he has deprived her of the same? He should be locked up to serve his sentence alone and so should all the other killers of a similar nature.

What happened was truly dreadful and he deserves the sentence he received, and I can't for one moment imagine what the poor mother went through.

BUT OPs comments are vindictive and that's not the way to go. Prison is not just for punishment, ideally it brings rehabilitation and a recognition of guilt.

How could this possibly happen? Are we seriously going to tell children routinely that their parent conveniently dropped dead at the moment of conviction? What happens when the parent comes out of prison? What if it turns out that the parent is in fact innocent?

Well actually I agree that he should have the right to receive visitors.
I still hope no one does visit him.
Also I know that prison time is supposed to include rehabilitation as well as punishment. So that a prisoner such as him can be re educated into actually accepting his guilt and regretting his actions. Unfortunately due to the state of the prison service I doubt whether many prisoners these days get much in the way of re education and rehabilitation.
In fact after the Woman Prisoner Officer sex scandal it appears a lot of prisoners don't even get punishment.

First of all, has the OP never made a mistake?

A mistake is leaving the iron on, overstaying the parking you've paid for or putting a red sock in with the whites.

Getting 3 times the drink drive limit and going at double the speed limit while using your phone is not a 'mistake' for fucks sake. It's a deliberate act. 3 deliberate acts added together.

The comment in this thread about not 'othering' him is the most ridiculous thing in a crowded field of ridiculous things I've ever read here. God forbid his feels get all hurty eh?

Taking that point of view though, neither is the prison sentence going to help the victims family.
Its about justice for me, and yes, that means punishment. And a scumbag who has killed innocent people having any privileges in prison (including visitors) is not justice in my eyes.
I know by the law of the land it is, but it’s why I would never be able to work as a lawyer. The punishments in this country never seem to fit the crime.

How is this workable so that it's fair? For one prisoner who might desperately miss his children, there are hundreds who really don't care. Why should that one prisoner get a punishment that is disproportionately much worse for him than it is for all the others?

He shouldn't be alive. Why does he get to murder 2 people, serve his time and go back to his life? Murdering bastards should be done away with.

I know a lot of people think they should be rehabilitated but I genuinely don't understand why. If it is that clear that you have made these decisions that lead to multiple deaths why the fuck should you be allowed to continue your life as normal.

I understand what you’re saying.
Some people’s crimes are truly evil.

But the punishment is being in prison and having most of the freedoms taken away.

Also his parents/kids did nothing wrong and this also affects them.

There is also the prison staff who have to deal with these men and there has to be some privileges and punishments to keep them on track, else they would act worse than feral animals.

I look forward to you recruiting to fill the gap that the remaining prison officers leaving would make because conditions have got so bad. And then working out what to do with the consequences of even more dangerously understaffed prisons. Likewise you'll be able to the fill the places left by the education teams and everybody else who tried to rehabilitate prisoners but can't do their jobs because the prisoners have lost everything that will motivate them. On ever reducing budgets of course. And when you've finished that, perhaps you'll address the CAMHS of the little girl whose daddy went to prison and was never seen again.

Depends on the road type though amd id say a alim number of people are involved in fatal accidents at ridiculous speeds compared to public roads.

Some of these stats are quite surprising e.g. 85% of cars exceeded the speed limit at 20mph sites.

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/vehicle-speed-compliance-statistics-for-great-britain-2022/vehicle-speed-compliance-statistics-for-great-britain-2022#:~:text=speed%20limits%20webpage.-,Car%20compliance%20with%20speed%20limits,roads%20and%2045%25%20on%20motorways.

He was driving at 141mph!
The only mistakes I make are things like burning the toast and forgetting to lock my car not drink driving!
I wouldn’t be visiting him in prison if I was a family member!
I doubt he will be rehabilitated, he doesn’t seem to feel guilty. Probably feels sorry for himself and sees himself as the real victim!

Fuck me this place gets more Daily Mail by the minute.

I can’t believe how judgmental you are with no evidence to back such a ridiculous statement

You obviously have justice and vengeance muddled up

If removal of privileges would create that much carnage (and I’m sure you are correct in thinking that), then all it proves is the prisoners are beyond help and rehabilitation and do not belong in society.
They shouldn’t do the crime if they can’t do the time. And that time should never have included privileges for serious crimes like murder. But they expect an easy ride in prisons these days.

There are 'privileges' and their are 'rights'

2 different things

There

Some of the posters here are acting like wrongful convictions never happen 🙄

I lost a family member in horrific circumstances, the person responsible was sentenced to 12 years. He killed himself within weeks of entering prison, and honestly, neither his sentence nor his death felt like justice or vengeance. I felt absolutely nothing. My family member wasn’t coming back either way.

All prisoners should be allowed visitors because at the end of the day, we as a society have a responsibility to uphold basic human rights and respect. It doesn't have to mean you like it, it doesn't have to mean you agree that he deserves visitors, what it means is that we do not allow state-sanctioned torture. That, even if people don't deserve to ever be released, that we still reduce the risk of them reoffending when they inevitably are. That we are not punishing innocent civilians, criminals' families, for crimes they didn't commit.

I don't care that you think "he should have thought about the impact on his own family before destroying someone else's." It's too late for that, he didn't think of them. That doesn't mean nobody should, especially when it comes to children. If you genuinely believe an innocent child should have their choice, their rights, their family, ripped away from them to appease a vague sense of justice which fails to consider the impact on real innocent people, well there's a very good reason you're not in charge of criminal justice.

Some people are beyond help. That doesn’t change the fact that most people are not incarcerated for life. We are all safer if we at least attempt rehabilitation.

as for if it were one of my own. I’ve seen real monsters and society didn't send a single one of them to prison. The evil walk among us every day. Justice is rare.

@AzureAnt

"I hate it when violent nasty humans are called animals. Animals don't behave like that and most of them only kill to survive"

Completely agree

YABU. People are sent to prison as a punishment, not to be punished.

Because thankfully 'I think this should happen' does not run the world

Sounds good in theory but how would it be controlled and decided?

Fair or not, prisoners are entitled to visits - usually monthly I think not weekly. I can see why people are aggrieved about it, but their family are not responsible for the crime and shouldn’t be punished any more. I don’t know if visits can be withdrawn if the prisoner breaks the rules? and used as an incentive to push good behaviour. Hope this can happen, I suspect visits would be one if the most important issues for most inmates.

Just keep them locked in cells. That way they can't misbehave or harm prison staff.