Some People In Prison Shouldn’t Be Allowed Visitors.

[Molone]

Tonight I read the horrific story of a baby and his aunt being killed in a drink/driving incident.
Today the driver was sentenced to 17 years. While he will still be allowed to see his family weekly for visits, this poor mother will never hold her baby or see her sister again. What happened to them was horrific.

Why should he be allowed to see his loved ones when he has deprived her of the same? He should be locked up to serve his sentence alone and so should all the other killers of a similar nature.

Exactly. Some people do not realise that criminals might be great fathers.

Locking someone up is punishment.

Whilst they are locked up they should rehabilited to rejoin society as they do in Norway which has the lowest reoffending rate. Their system is based upon humanising the offender as opposed to dehumanising them as the OP seems keen to do.

Posts like these always shock me. First of all, has the OP never made a mistake? People do and tragically the results can be horrific but none of us are perfect. There but for the grace of God and all that.

Secondly I don't feel sorry for the driver one bit, but neither do I wish him undue suffering. There's some real nastiness in the vengeful desire to utterly destroy his mental health by isolating him. I'm surprised the OP isn't suggesting lashes or electrodes.
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The OP is advocating causing the purposeful prolonged suffering of another human whilst decrying the man who caused the prolonged suffering of other humans.

A 3yo little girl has been deprived of all the benefits of having her mummy by her side as she grows up and goes through life because of this cunt. It’s her I’ve got sympathy for, and the rest of the family who’ve been torn apart by him. He deserves to rot.

Well it’s normalised for those kids unfortunately, I bet it’s like a big family reunion for them.

@TheFairyCaravan yes, and I empathise with that little girl. Depriving another kid would not be a solution though.

He should get what he has a right to get. In fact, he will definitely get it. He is still being punished

Made a mistake? He didn’t make a mistake, fgs. He made a conscious decision to drive a car knowing full well he was 3 times over the limit. He, also, made the decision to make phone calls and send texts whilst driving at speeds up to 141mph, and just before he rammed into the back of the family’s car, he took a photo of his speedo to send on WhatsApp. That’s not a fucking mistake. That’s being downright reckless.

No @Crispysheets it's not 'normalised'

Many have parents in custody for a relatively short time.... so it's a continuation for that relationship

If he was my kids’ dad they’d be going nowhere near a prison and the only communication he’d be getting from me would be about a divorce. If he was my child, I wouldn’t be able to visit him. He’s utter scum.

But it’s normalised for them for a period of time, no matter how long that is. A lot of kids do not see the inside of a prison thankfully.

Obviously it would take a pretty sick individual not to have sympathy for this poor girl. I'm sure everyone posting on this thread feels terrible for her.

However, how would you feel if someone said a child should be deprived of their father just because another child has been deprived of their mother - because despite all the circumstances around WHY that's happened that is what your are suggesting.

YABVU
Prison, and the removal of freedoms, is the punishment.
Of course, family/friends can decide not to visit a prisoner, and that is their right.
But to say they are not allowed to visit to begin with... that is just wrong. By depriving loved ones from visiting, you are also punishing them.
For some, visits are what keeps a prisoner going, and they have to maintain those relationships for when they are released.

I don't have any sympathy for the bloke who did the killing but I don't think that would be an acceptable way for the state to behave.

Prison is the punishment, there should not be a cruel or unusual aspect to it

It is this kind of attitude that children of criminals do not matter, that can make their live extra difficult.

Good grief. Because we are a civilised country.

The shitty excuse of a father should have thought of that when he was depriving a mother of her child and a child of her mother.

Depends if you want prison to rehabilitate offenders or enact vengeance. Given we can't keep everyone in prison their whole lives it's probably better for society if we aim to rehabilitate them.

I mean there's no chance of that actually happening with prisons in the state they're in. But the point remains - what happens to prisoners, what the prison experience is like, should be decided by logic not emotions, to make it most effective in protecting society.

Also, from a practical point of view, if you dehumanise prisoners in such a way how do you think you manage a prison? Where is the incentive for good behaviour? What sort of conditions will the prison officers & other prisoners be living under? Vindictiveness is a very bad way to run a prison system in a healthy society.

Prison officers need something to withhold from him if he doesn't behave himself, OP. Managing someone with nothing to lose would be very scary.

I've got to be brutally honest, in his case I wouldn't shed a tear if he did.

The man was drunk. He was speeding (and not by a little). He was on his phone. I can't think of any ways in which he could have been more reckless than he was. He showed not an ounce of remorse. He is an utter bastard of the lowest order. May he burn in hell.

He took a photo.of the speedometer on his phone where it showed 141mph
He was on WhatsApp whilst driving
He stated something along the lines.of.accidemts happen and isn't it sad..That he drove into a car

He was also three times.over the limit.

His defence was he has a daughter.

He's a grade a.... Something.

Howevwr his family should have the ability to visit him and have contact. It's then up to them if they choose not to, or slowly reduce the frequency because they are rightfully disgusted at his actions and lack of remorse. That will have more impact than it being banned and him seeing it as yet another example of him being the victim rather than a consequence of his actions.

Personally, I think that, depending on the crime, prison sentences should be a period of punishment followed by rehabilitation. The punishment being basic nutrition, recommended reading material only and no visitors. If it's a parent who committed a particular crime, then yes, his or her children should be allowed to visit during the rehab part, but not the punishment part. This would be a valuable lesson to the child that their parent committed a crime without any regard for them at all. Kids need to know that crime is a bad thing from an early age. Obviously this sort of sentence would not be across the board, but only in certain circumstances should it be made an option for judicial sentencing.

Oh my god! Has anyone on this thread actually read what this bloke did??? He deserves to be hung drawn and quartered as far as I am concerned. Drink driving at over 140mph while taking selfies and flirting with the nurses when he was taken to hospital.

The mother found her little baby, dead, 50 meters from the car and her sisters body was shattered because of this (literally can't think of a vile enough description)

His children should be told he is dead and be able to get on with their lives. Not dragged to meet the murderer every week in prison.

@outside1inside yes we read it

This. I work in a prison, it’s dangerous enough. We don’t need to make those conditions any worse.

But realistically depriving the prisoner of visitors is going to do precisely nothing to help the families of the victims.