Thread 2 - Is anyone else on here pro-trans

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I was really enjoying the 1st thread, hopefully it's ok to have a follow on so we can continue debating

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5115405-to-ask-if-anyone-else-on-mn-is-not-anti-trans

Hopefully this isn't a TAAT.

The surgery is essentially just him getting his balls chopped off and his dick turned inside out. How does that make him a woman?

I’m not anti trans. I don’t mind who is in the toilet cubicle or washing their hands next to me as long as they’re minding their own business.

However, I don’t think male rapists saying they’re a woman now should be placed in women’s prisons. I think most people agree on that.

I don’t believe in giving hormone changing medication to kids. If the human brain isn’t fully matured until mid 20s I don’t see how that can be justified.

Ask a biologist. To dismiss it out of hand is short sighted.

I'm a biologist but I have no clue how anyone could be born in the "wrong body".

Careful now. Some people don't like straight talking. It's "hate".

A sensible post for once. I agree!

There's no truth one can speak of which is inherently degrading. It's all about intent. Since no characteristic is universal to any group, making a universal declaration is not truthful. Making a general observation, otoh, certainly can be.

This reminds me of one hysteric who claimed I was a bigot for observing (and my observation was appropriate in the context of the conversation) that people of primarily Scandinavian descent are, on average, taller than people of primarily Italian descent.
Even after I gave him proof of it, he still screamed that it wasn't true, that it was just bigotry.

Factual truth is what it is. Accusations of any kind of bigotry should not be used to silence it.
If any person has evidence that the telling of it is intended for the sole purpose of being demeaning, that's another matter. That person would naturally be required to substatiate that.

Just to balance out the stereotypical photo of cross dressers above, here is a more feminine trans lady.

https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/we-love-chanel-santini--729231364697683783/

Trans people are extremely traumatised and confused. They deserve a lot of empathy and support. But at the same time, bodies are real and it’s just not possible to change sex, as nice as it would be to be able to choose. To keep women safe we need everyone with a penis kept out of our spaces. I wish it were different but alas. The mutilation of bodies breaks my heart.

Another filtered airbrushed photo. When they move, we would see the fact they are a man.

Also a porn star who uses their dick according to Google.

Where are his hands?

You sound like an amazing mum and I’m glad your son is happy.

I do think some kids experiment though, just like they do with other things. I know of two teenagers who were going from girl to boy and boy to girl, both were supported in school to transition, but they decided to switch back a few years later. This has made me quite firmly against making hormone treatment available for teenagers.

Another pornography actor lol, are you on a wind up here?

You're not doing yourself any favours with these photos @DianeAbbotsJamjars
What are you trying to say? That some transwomen are pretty? They were still born male and remain men.
Is it all about looks for you?

Crikey, I do recommend caution for anyone googling the 'feminine' Chanel Santini.

I do not want Pinterest to serve me up cross dressers among my Xmas decoration ideas and recipes for blueberry muffins, so I'll decline to click on that link.

Fair play, that was some good trolling.

Baubles and buns, Eresh!

Arabella

Its about looks to some PP like @ArabellaScott and others who talk of height and post photos of cross dressers, yes. CLearly to be accepted by PP like this, they must look as feminine as possible.

As for their chosen careers @eatfigs that is none of my business.

I didn't actually click through the links, enough was in the preview text.....

Yeah because trans people have no idea what it’s like to be oppressed. Please. All minorities should be supporting each other in my opinion. I am a black woman and to me there is no difference in the fight women, lgbt, disabled and people of colour have. We are all just trying to find a space in a world dominated by able bodied, straight, white, cis gendered men so let’s all fight that together rather than turning on each other. Which is what the powerful people want as it stops us all uniting and turning on them.

Well stated.
I haven't seen a single solid argument that being in favour of keeping single sex spaces is inherently phobic, bigoted or hateful, because there isn't one.
Could arguments in favour of single sex spaces be used by a hateful people? Sure. For example, the far right borrows them (and uses them ineptly) to suit an entirely different agenda. Lots of good arguments can be used by unscrupulous people.
That doesn't change the nature of these arguments. The intent is everything.

I'm pro human being and open, honest dialogue, preferably without fear of reprisal.

A porn actor who has had extensive facial surgery and a carefully curated photo portfolio.

I'm not sure looking feminine includes using your penis in a porn film.