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To like Keir Starmer?

556 replies

Emmanuelll · 09/07/2024 09:02

Unlike Tony Blair, he comes from a working class background - his siblings would still call themselves working class.

As a very bright lawyer, he could have sought a path which made him rich quickly but instead chose human rights which isn’t an easy route to take and he’s defended ‘the little guy’ against corporations. He’s also anti-death penalty.

Ok, he’s a Sir, and I’ve heard people (perhaps not unreasonably) question why the leader of the Labour Party would have a title like that. But he earned it through work for the criminal justice system.

On the face of it, it seems as though he deserves a chance.

I would much rather have him as PM than a former Bullingdon club member who used to burn money in front of homeless people for the fun of it.

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bluebeach · 12/07/2024 18:39

YANBU I first came to like him when I found out he defended the two environments being sued by McDonald’s in Mclibel about 25 years ago. He did it pro bono for years.

SpudleyLass · 12/07/2024 18:43

So Starmer is a silly twat who just lied to everybody by saying Biden is fine.

Biden just called Zelensky, Putin and called his vice president '\trump'

When to kick out Starmer, please?

cardibach · 12/07/2024 18:56

SpudleyLass · 12/07/2024 18:43

So Starmer is a silly twat who just lied to everybody by saying Biden is fine.

Biden just called Zelensky, Putin and called his vice president '\trump'

When to kick out Starmer, please?

It’s not his job to comment on the government if other countries. Would be very poor diplomacy.
mind you, wanting to kick out a democratically elected leader because you don’t personally like him isn’t very democratic either, so I guess it figures.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 12/07/2024 18:59

It’s not his job to comment on the government if other countries. Would be very poor diplomacy.

I agree, even as a non-Starmer-fan.

SpudleyLass · 12/07/2024 19:04

cardibach · 12/07/2024 18:56

It’s not his job to comment on the government if other countries. Would be very poor diplomacy.
mind you, wanting to kick out a democratically elected leader because you don’t personally like him isn’t very democratic either, so I guess it figures.

Given senile Joe is leader of the Free world, we should all be worried that he can't recognise Zelensky from Putin.

Don't pretend otherwise.

SpudleyLass · 12/07/2024 19:06

cardibach · 12/07/2024 18:56

It’s not his job to comment on the government if other countries. Would be very poor diplomacy.
mind you, wanting to kick out a democratically elected leader because you don’t personally like him isn’t very democratic either, so I guess it figures.

God I can;t believe people think dementia Joe being President of the most powerful country on Earth is ok, is absolutely terrifying.

Stand him down. Thats all the democrats have to do.

cardibach · 12/07/2024 19:18

SpudleyLass · 12/07/2024 19:04

Given senile Joe is leader of the Free world, we should all be worried that he can't recognise Zelensky from Putin.

Don't pretend otherwise.

I don’t think I did. I said it wasn’t within his remit to publicly comment.

cardibach · 12/07/2024 19:18

SpudleyLass · 12/07/2024 19:06

God I can;t believe people think dementia Joe being President of the most powerful country on Earth is ok, is absolutely terrifying.

Stand him down. Thats all the democrats have to do.

I don’t think I suggested it was ok, did I?

Bunchymcbunchface · 12/07/2024 19:21

I can’t stand him

SpudleyLass · 12/07/2024 19:31

cardibach · 12/07/2024 19:18

I don’t think I did. I said it wasn’t within his remit to publicly comment.

It absolutely is.

cardibach · 12/07/2024 19:32

SpudleyLass · 12/07/2024 19:31

It absolutely is.

It absolutely isn’t. Remember the outcry when Obama had an opinion on Brexit?

SpudleyLass · 12/07/2024 19:32

cardibach · 12/07/2024 19:18

I don’t think I suggested it was ok, did I?

You lectured me out being wanting to kick out a man democratically elected.

cardibach · 12/07/2024 19:33

SpudleyLass · 12/07/2024 19:32

You lectured me out being wanting to kick out a man democratically elected.

Lectured? I made one comment.
I don’t see your point. This is about whether Biden should stand for re-election.

SpudleyLass · 12/07/2024 19:33

cardibach · 12/07/2024 19:32

It absolutely isn’t. Remember the outcry when Obama had an opinion on Brexit?

He was entitled to his opinion, but nobody should ahve paid attention

I don't want Biden to be leader of the Free World.

If it was Trump, you wouldn't want him in charge of the same nuclear codes as Biden is right now

EasternStandard · 12/07/2024 19:33

Bunchymcbunchface · 12/07/2024 19:21

I can’t stand him

Why so?

cardibach · 12/07/2024 19:34

SpudleyLass · 12/07/2024 19:33

He was entitled to his opinion, but nobody should ahve paid attention

I don't want Biden to be leader of the Free World.

If it was Trump, you wouldn't want him in charge of the same nuclear codes as Biden is right now

Personally I don’t want either of them. I’m sure Starmer feels the same. But international diplomacy means it’s wide not to make that opinion known.

SpudleyLass · 12/07/2024 19:34

cardibach · 12/07/2024 19:33

Lectured? I made one comment.
I don’t see your point. This is about whether Biden should stand for re-election.

And the Americans need to oust him right now

SpudleyLass · 12/07/2024 19:35

cardibach · 12/07/2024 19:34

Personally I don’t want either of them. I’m sure Starmer feels the same. But international diplomacy means it’s wide not to make that opinion known.

No fuck that.

He needs removing - even if by force

cardibach · 12/07/2024 19:36

@SpudleyLass there are clear problems with Biden running again. However Trump is even more of a liability - it’s a tricky situation. But whatever private citizens may think it’s not appropriate for Starmer, as British PM, to comment.

SpudleyLass · 12/07/2024 19:38

cardibach · 12/07/2024 19:36

@SpudleyLass there are clear problems with Biden running again. However Trump is even more of a liability - it’s a tricky situation. But whatever private citizens may think it’s not appropriate for Starmer, as British PM, to comment.

Starmer is weak for not commenting.

Its his first real fuck up

SpudleyLass · 12/07/2024 19:39

cardibach · 12/07/2024 19:36

@SpudleyLass there are clear problems with Biden running again. However Trump is even more of a liability - it’s a tricky situation. But whatever private citizens may think it’s not appropriate for Starmer, as British PM, to comment.

I would vote Starmer if he called on Biden to step down.

cardibach · 12/07/2024 19:40

SpudleyLass · 12/07/2024 19:39

I would vote Starmer if he called on Biden to step down.

Nobody is asking you to for the next 5 years.
It’s not weak not to comment. It’s diplomacy. It’s definitely not a fuck up.

SpudleyLass · 12/07/2024 19:42

cardibach · 12/07/2024 19:40

Nobody is asking you to for the next 5 years.
It’s not weak not to comment. It’s diplomacy. It’s definitely not a fuck up.

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I don't agree that its diplomatic for British PMs to be weak regarding any US president that is not Trump.

Starmer should call on Biden to stand down.

WithACatLikeTread · 12/07/2024 19:42

SpudleyLass · 12/07/2024 19:35

No fuck that.

He needs removing - even if by force

Are you new to politics? Places like America don't do coups. It is a democratic process.

cardibach · 12/07/2024 19:43

SpudleyLass · 12/07/2024 19:42

I don't agree that its diplomatic for British PMs to be weak regarding any US president that is not Trump.

Starmer should call on Biden to stand down.

No. He. Shouldn’t.
It’s a matter for the Americans.
I won’t be replying again as you are weirdly fixated on this.