To say a massive well done to the people of France...

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For telling the far right National Rally to fuck off to the far side of fuck!!!

So relieved!

Re: immigration issues

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HermoineFairfax- from the USA?

No. I spent the second part of my honeymoon in New York and had a jolly good time. Never set foot in the USA since.

Honestly keeping certain ideas out of the public forum is necessary. People understand this when it comes to fascism but are strangely blasé when it comes to Islam (a very political ideology) and, to a lesser extent, communism.

Note that nobody ever mentions Buddhism in this context because it is not a totalitarian ideology, or has not been practised as such for a very long time

Actually one could indeed mention Buddhism: Myanmar/ Burma does have a totalitarian Buddhist government,

Orban isn't just anti- Islamism; he's against anything that conflicts with old-fashioned traditional Christian-right values. He's just as against modern liberal secular values as he is against Islamism. While he is not so far quite as scary as some authoritarian Islamist leaders- he would only take his people back to the 19th century, while Khameini might take his back to the 9th - he is still pretty scary.

Actually one could indeed mention Buddhism: Myanmar/ Burma does have a totalitarian Buddhist government

Buddhist religious figures have largely been sidelined tbh since the last coup. But it’s not really totalitarian these days in the same way (it certainly had its moments in the past, as did Christianity)

But Islam really is very totalitarian, only an Ataturk made Turkey more tolerable (and that’s being compromised now as everyone knows). The point is that Islam is a political ideology one must be cautious of, just like fascism and communism. It must not be allowed to take root in Western societies.

Orban isn't just anti- Islamism; he's against anything that conflicts with old-fashioned traditional Christian-right values. He's just as against modern liberal secular values as he is against Islamism

I am not too familiar with his leadership. I am only aware of his pro-natal and anti-immigrant policies. But Hungary is not exactly a Western liberal democracy, is it? Still quite new to the system, having suffered under communism. So I can understand they are protecting their heritage in some way

I don't know how many times we are going to have to say that the Front Populaire is not Mélanchon's personal party, it's a coalition of very different parties, some of which are centre-left, with candidates that include former president François Hollande. Former Prime Minister Lionel Jospin also called for people to vote for them.
Just before the election, there was much debate on the radio and social media about whether or not it was acceptable to vote for a coalition that included Mélanchon's antisemitic party, with what looked like most people actually not willing to do it.
As the week went on, and racist attacks started to happen, by thugs feeling emboldened by what they thought was a new era of impunity about to start with the RN in power, it finally sunk in that there was no choice. If we didn't want racists twats to feel they'd won, we'd have to vote for whoever were against them.
In doing so, like I said earlier, we followed the lead of French Jewish politicians.
Sorry - on this occasion none of us fancied being led by nativist, thick, populist Putin apologists.
There's still a lot of debate about who might be Prime Minister, how long to have a caretaker government for etc. Mélanchon is making a lot of noise but everyone seems to agree that since a lot of votes that went to the FP were 'on loan', there shouldn't be a power grab.
Some of the responses on here about communism and Marxism are miles away from the debate taking place in France, where we're examining whether we can move on to a system that's more about compromise than 'adversarial'.

Welcome to British political discourse, where everyone who isn't a Thatcherite is, at minimum, a socialist (including Sunak because furlough).

The coalition also inc the Communist party. Melachon, is likely to emerge as the de facto leader. We all know that the gar left part of the coalition are likely to over power the centre left part because that is the natural dynamics of life, the more extreme is likely to overpower the middle given half the chance. France has effectively voted for the persecuted of Jews.,Well done France!

What an absolute load of bollocks!

there was much debate on the radio and social media about whether or not it was acceptable to vote for a coalition that included Mélanchon's antisemitic party, with what looked like most people actually notwilling to do it.
As the week went on, and racist attacks started to happen, by thugs feeling emboldened by what they thought was a new era of impunity about to start with the RN in power, it finally sunk in that there was no choice. If we didn't want racists twats to feel they'd won

So racist twats feel like they've won then. Paris Chief Rabbi said "There is no future for Jews in France" and 2,000 families have opened files to flee to Israel. It's ugly however you rationalise it.

Melechon doesn't sound far away in his views as le pens dad which beautifully illustrates the alignment of far left and right.

Beggars belief really.

@ScribblingPixie and that's because of the far left and giving melachon a platform as well as risd of far right.. They are now caught in a pincer movement.

This is awful. It’s a repeat of so much of history, persecution and de facto explusion of Jews. If anyone doubts whether Israel is needed - they are unfortunately about to find out exactly why it is.

The “free Gaza movement “ has been a master class in manipulation, if people can’t see he aim of the whole provocation of Israel and the growing attacks on Jewish people, they need to pick up the history books - almost any period will do.

France has elected a group of left parties, this includes far left parties who will stamp all over the centre.

“If you want a picture of a future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face” it matters little if that boot is left or right.

Yes well done France…, you have just rolled over and left the way for the persecution of Jews (again).

The “free Gaza movement “ has been a master class in manipulation, if people can’t see he aim of the whole provocation of Israel and the growing attacks on Jewish people, they need to pick up the history books - almost any period will do.

I couldn't agree with you more. It's sickening.

Yes exactly - extreme politics is extreme politics- slight variation on the detail. The difference is, the detail favoured by the far left is most likely what has pushed many to the edges of extreme politics in the first place.

We on the west need to have a long hard look at what is allowing for the rise of extreme politics. It needs to be honest and fearless. We need to address the matters before it’s too late (although I think we have most likely missed the boat already).

Yeah, the Paris chief rabbi thinks so, but the French chief rabbi disagrees. Why the cherry-picking?
Can you find a reputable link about Mélanchon being about to lead the country, with all of his 64 deputés out of 577?

76 out of 577, actually, sorry.

It’s hardly cherry picking to cite one senior French Jewish figure who’s spoken out and not another who hasn’t!

Please just pick up the history books to see how this could play out!

Why would a Jew support the current situation - let’s look at why Jews fought for Nazi Germany https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/ellen-feldman-nazi-germany

The left are pretty confident about running a minority Government in France https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024/07/09/left-wing-new-popular-front-claims-it-can-govern-france-as-minority-government. There’s going to be a lot of time spent on in fighting - meaning Putin and his current supporters will be rubbing their hands in glee.

It's the (I would say inevitable) result of centre ground politics. When all your parties are kind of the same except for a few details, always with broadly similar outcomes like a merry go round, then people look for tangible differences in the fringes. Our politics is too wedded to the centre

If people don’t want to read up on the current state of left wing politics, then they might find this from the hallowed Prophecy of Monty Python illuminating (watch to the end and think esp about someone losing their train of thought).

FFS I'm aware of the FP saying they are confident they can lead but they are not France Unbound - two different things. At this stage every party has said they are confident they can lead, I'm asking for a link to political expert opinions that back you up that France Unbound will have power.

IMO there’s usually a reason to start a post FFS and it’s usually nothing to do with the person being responded to.

No one is saying anything atm. But it’s clear the far left are in an incredibly powerful position herr

The French chief rabbi has spoken out, but you obviously know more than French Jewish figures and French Jewish politicians themselves about what happened and what will happen in France, thanks to your knowledge of nazi Germany.
The left taking the most seats was also not predicted in polls, if it had been the messaging between he two rounds may have been somewhat different.
Added to which, the FP's manifesto is supportive of Israel.
And the enemy was a party which is Putin's puppet.
Last time I engage, because if you don't get it you've got to be disingenuous.