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To say a massive well done to the people of France...

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MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 07/07/2024 19:33

For telling the far right National Rally to fuck off to the far side of fuck!!!

So relieved!

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zendeveloper · 08/07/2024 11:45

Zebedee999 · 08/07/2024 10:15

I have a way of identifying a left wing person from a right wing person... Years ago I worked with an 18 year old Pakistani origin lad who went to Pakistan, married his 14 year old cousin and brought her back to the UK. Long story short she wasn't allowed outside his flat alone and (according to him) had no need to learn English as when she did go out he would do the speaking.
Anyway some of us in the office weren't comfortable with this as it seemed like child/sex trafficing. But there was a very clear split: The left leaning types said it was racist to not accept this was their culture and to mention it as being an issue and generally tried to side track. The right leaning types said it was unacceptable and shouldn't be allowed.
Since that time I have not been surprised people in countries where such cultures are growing have become right leaning, their moral compass has been pushed just too far.

Great story.

She would not have been able to obtain a spousal visa to the UK at 14 years old, even if they were married a hundred times in Pakistan.

FinalCeleryScheme · 08/07/2024 11:50

Goldenbear · 08/07/2024 11:42

Your inaccuracies on history and British politics are just intellectually painful, sorry if I am outlining the truth, I suppose some people find the truth offensive!

What inaccuracies? You’re talking in riddles now.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 08/07/2024 11:50

BeenThere0 · 08/07/2024 10:49

Anyone knows the proper the translation into French of the term "hung parliament"? (It's not 'parlement suspendu' by the way..)

I think they call it a 'cohabitation' don't they?

TooBigForMyBoots · 08/07/2024 11:53

whistleblower99 · 08/07/2024 07:26

To be fair - the views of many mn’etters and their entitlement to everyone else’s money for not doing very much - is peak communism. Everyone should be paid the same, even if you’ve worked for it and have the intelligence to be a Dr or engineer. There are plenty of extreme left in this country - most of which are on here.

Where are you getting this shite from? Do you use a different Mnet or are you in the habit of making things up? I've seen it a lot lately, right wing hyperbole.🙈

Goldenbear · 08/07/2024 11:56

TooBigForMyBoots · 08/07/2024 11:53

Where are you getting this shite from? Do you use a different Mnet or are you in the habit of making things up? I've seen it a lot lately, right wing hyperbole.🙈

Yes, it is so depressing!

BeenThere0 · 08/07/2024 11:59

@Tryingtokeepgoing , thanks, cohabitation is different. It's when the president and the parliamentary majority belong to two different political camps (like Chirac/Jospin from 1997 to 2002). But 'hung parliament' is of course different. For example, over the 1997-2002 period, they had a cohabitation but the parliament wasn't hung!

Tryingtokeepgoing · 08/07/2024 12:19

BeenThere0 · 08/07/2024 11:59

@Tryingtokeepgoing , thanks, cohabitation is different. It's when the president and the parliamentary majority belong to two different political camps (like Chirac/Jospin from 1997 to 2002). But 'hung parliament' is of course different. For example, over the 1997-2002 period, they had a cohabitation but the parliament wasn't hung!

Ah I see! Thanks :)

biscuitandcake · 08/07/2024 12:30

FinalCeleryScheme · 08/07/2024 08:19

I don’t doubt any of this, but how did the pro-Putin stuff come about? Was it akin to Corbyn’s sinister, old Trot fixation with the USSR/Russian Fed? Has Melanchon opposed support for Ukraine? Fucking terrifying if so.

America is the bad guy. Imperialism, foreign wars etc
Russia is not America. In fact America is being mean to them (see imperialism). Therefore Russia is the good guy.

TooBigForMyBoots · 08/07/2024 12:31

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Bushmillsbabe · 08/07/2024 12:53

CheerfulBunny · 07/07/2024 19:43

@Sakura7 I know what you mean. It's great news. I'm overjoyed with the Labour landslide but it's tempered with the news that ghastly Farage made some progress. One just wishes the far right would fuck off altogether in a puff of sulphurous smoke. Probably won't happen though.

In reality though it wasn't a landslide when look at voter numbers. Labour got 33% of the vote on a 60% turnout. So in reality only about 20% of the country wanted them in government. Of this 20%, half said they only wanted them to get Torys out, so only 10% of the country really really wanted labour. The rest either wanted another party, voted Labour as the least worst option or didn't vote at all.
10% not exactly a landslide,despite the MP majority in parliament.

FinalCeleryScheme · 08/07/2024 13:01

Bushmillsbabe · 08/07/2024 12:53

In reality though it wasn't a landslide when look at voter numbers. Labour got 33% of the vote on a 60% turnout. So in reality only about 20% of the country wanted them in government. Of this 20%, half said they only wanted them to get Torys out, so only 10% of the country really really wanted labour. The rest either wanted another party, voted Labour as the least worst option or didn't vote at all.
10% not exactly a landslide,despite the MP majority in parliament.

This is a bit silly. That’s how our voting system works. I’m a Tory but I wouldn’t suggest that Starmer hasn’t got a very significant mandate. Of course he does.

On an electoral basis it will worry Labour come the next election because the mandate will be easier to remove than if the party’s vote share had been higher. But that’s got nothing to do with the present mandate.

TwigletsAndRadishes · 08/07/2024 13:18

zendeveloper · 08/07/2024 11:45

Great story.

She would not have been able to obtain a spousal visa to the UK at 14 years old, even if they were married a hundred times in Pakistan.

She probably didn't come in on a spousal visa though,did she? She probably came in under a family visa under some sort of guardianship scenario, given that the groom is highly likely to have been closely or at least distantly related to her family.

TwigletsAndRadishes · 08/07/2024 13:27

Anonym00se · 08/07/2024 10:49

That’s utter rubbish. I’m on the left and I don’t think it’s racist to save children from trafficking. Nor would the vast majority of the left. The difference is that your colleagues were probably scared of getting into trouble, regardless of their political beliefs. Just like the social workers in Rochdale.

Getting in trouble from whom though? The left wing local authorities who were more concerned with not attracting accusations of racism than they were with protecting vulnerable under age girls?

If the authorities in question had not taken that line, then social workers, teachers and police would have had absolutely nothing to fear in speaking out loud about what they knew to be true.

TwigletsAndRadishes · 08/07/2024 13:32

GrinAndBeerIt · 08/07/2024 10:32

Let the riots commence.....oh!

I believe there have been a few small riots but in general it's not been too bad. Contrast that with what we'd be seeing if the RN had come out as the top party and I imagine the Antifa and social justice warrior types, as well as some residents of the banlieues would be burning and smashing up Paris as we speak.

DeerOhDear · 08/07/2024 13:36

Now they are desperate for a pm to sit in the vip box at the Olympics.
I can't understand the timing of macron? Why not do all this after the Olympics?
It's farcical.

notanothernana · 08/07/2024 13:42

CheerfulBunny · 07/07/2024 19:43

@Sakura7 I know what you mean. It's great news. I'm overjoyed with the Labour landslide but it's tempered with the news that ghastly Farage made some progress. One just wishes the far right would fuck off altogether in a puff of sulphurous smoke. Probably won't happen though.

But he hasn't. The vote share (4 million) is the same as UKIP vote share in 2015.

Fawful · 08/07/2024 13:50

DeerOhDear · 08/07/2024 13:36

Now they are desperate for a pm to sit in the vip box at the Olympics.
I can't understand the timing of macron? Why not do all this after the Olympics?
It's farcical.

Attal is still Prime Minister, and may be for a while

DeerOhDear · 08/07/2024 13:51

He's being begged to stay for the Olympics

Anonym00se · 08/07/2024 14:05

TwigletsAndRadishes · 08/07/2024 13:27

Getting in trouble from whom though? The left wing local authorities who were more concerned with not attracting accusations of racism than they were with protecting vulnerable under age girls?

If the authorities in question had not taken that line, then social workers, teachers and police would have had absolutely nothing to fear in speaking out loud about what they knew to be true.

“The left wing authorities” like Tory-run Buckinghamshire Council, who were sued for negligence by the teenage victims of grooming gangs in Aylesbury?

This isn’t a party issue, please don’t try to turn it into one. The only difference is that there tends to be a higher population of Muslims in poorer areas, so they’re more likely to be under a Labour run council but where the council is Conservative they’ve had the same issues.

TwigletsAndRadishes · 08/07/2024 14:35

Anonym00se · 08/07/2024 14:05

“The left wing authorities” like Tory-run Buckinghamshire Council, who were sued for negligence by the teenage victims of grooming gangs in Aylesbury?

This isn’t a party issue, please don’t try to turn it into one. The only difference is that there tends to be a higher population of Muslims in poorer areas, so they’re more likely to be under a Labour run council but where the council is Conservative they’ve had the same issues.

Fair point.

fungipie · 08/07/2024 16:01

DTisawazzock · 08/07/2024 10:09

The only thing that I'd disagree with on the RN policy is reducing pension age. France can't afford people retiring at 62. Everything else seems very reasonable.

Well, there you go. They walk amongst us, and it is very scary.

fungipie · 08/07/2024 16:04

Most of the so called 'foreign' people in France are French, born and bred, often 2nd or 3rd generation even, from French colonies where France's actions were appalling in the quite recent past.

Unless you personally know some of them well, and know what they have gone through- the sheer racism and discrimination in every way- it's hard to imagine.

Lilifer · 08/07/2024 16:08

"Well, there you go. They walk amongst us, and it is very scary"

@fungipie you must live a very sheltered life if that's your idea of scary.

fungipie · 08/07/2024 16:13

Lilifer · 08/07/2024 16:08

"Well, there you go. They walk amongst us, and it is very scary"

@fungipie you must live a very sheltered life if that's your idea of scary.

Not at all. Fascism being supported by a significant proportion of the population, be it in the UK, Italy or France, the USA, etc, is scary. Apartheid only finished in the 90s, very recently indeed. Perhaps you are too young to remember, or not have studied how Nazis started in the 30s in Germany, Austria and Italy.

whistleblower99 · 08/07/2024 16:14

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Wait. Is that a left leaning person personally attacking. What a shock. I am not right wing. Thanks though.

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