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Jess Phillips

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uneffingbelievable · 05/07/2024 14:52

What a brave lady.

Whilst I am not an ardent Labour supporter, I completely support you and how you have stood up to the bullying, racism, violence and hatred sent your way.

Sad that your family could not be there to see your victory but under the circumstances you made the right choice.

That this country is allowing this type of intimidation and behaviour - we should be ashamed of ourselves.

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soberfabulous · 05/07/2024 16:30

Her memoir was brilliant. I have a lot of respect for her.

Tracker1234 · 05/07/2024 16:31

Gaza and abuse towards our women MP’s has no place in a UK election. And who are the community leaders?? Of what?

Moonshiners · 05/07/2024 16:31

BellaCriesAndThatsAlright · 05/07/2024 16:14

Why the hate for Angela Rayner?

Because some people are intimidated by a working class woman who is articulate and not afraid to stand up for what she thinks is right.
She is a hugely impressive person and I'm delighted she is deputy.

Wideskye · 05/07/2024 16:31

crochetmonkey74 · 05/07/2024 15:52

THIS IS THE PROBLEM

You have NO SYMPATHY for a woman being yelled at and intimidated. A woman who has not agreed with her party line , and you know what- lack of sympathy/ empathy is what has emboldened these men to do this. You are the same problem

Well said. Thank you.
I really wish there was a dislike button sometime.

Fairyliz · 05/07/2024 16:31

MauveCrow · 05/07/2024 15:58

No, I'm not the problem. The problem is expecting people of totally different culture to follow our norms, and when they don't, not calling it out for what it is, instead dancing around the issue as one of general misogyny. It's not just disingenuous, it's a dangerous lie.

Hear hear. This is happening and we are burying our heads in the sand.
Labour voters think of themselves as kind, decent, inclusive individuals; which would be a fabulous world to live in if everyone thought and acted the same.
Unfortunately there are a sizeable minority of people in this country who do not think like this. Female rights are going backwards and no one will talk about it.

User14March · 05/07/2024 16:32

I’ve met her & have nothing but respect & admiration. IME and IMO she has more integrity & is more intelligent than Angela Rayner.

Kolbie · 05/07/2024 16:32

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crochetmonkey74 · 05/07/2024 16:33

User14March · 05/07/2024 16:32

I’ve met her & have nothing but respect & admiration. IME and IMO she has more integrity & is more intelligent than Angela Rayner.

we don't have to compare

MidnightPatrol · 05/07/2024 16:33

ExtraOnions · 05/07/2024 16:27

They are a bunch of misogynist Muslim men, who want to harass and intimidate thier way into power. They use the excuse of Gaza, as a way of spreading hate and prejudice.

You will also see lots of other Muslims voted into parliament who would be horrified by these radical groups.

We know these people exist, the horrifying thing is the number of people who vote for them. Insular communities.

It’s just crazy really that the general election to decide who will run the UK for the foreseeable is dominated by the position of the candidates on Gaza.

The purpose of a constituency MP in Birmingham is not to promote the rights and issues of the people of Gaza, no matter how tragic their situation.

And - Phillips barely held onto her seat. Can you imagine what this guy would have been like in the Houses of Parliament?

It is very, very peculiar and I’d query what else is going on locally that this is the direction of travel for these local communities in Birmingham.

crochetmonkey74 · 05/07/2024 16:35

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I will have sympathy for both

There is no cut off or boundary to empathy and love and wanting the best for people. I can hate what a person stands for and also not want them to be threatened or harassed against the rule of law in this country. I personally loathe Jacob Rees Mogg and all he stands for, likewise Farage. BUT I do not want them to have death threats, intimidation etc etc
We must remain civilised and adhere to our criminal justice system.

BellaCriesAndThatsAlright · 05/07/2024 16:36

Moonshiners · 05/07/2024 16:31

Because some people are intimidated by a working class woman who is articulate and not afraid to stand up for what she thinks is right.
She is a hugely impressive person and I'm delighted she is deputy.

That's exactly it. As a fellow northern working class woman, I think she is an excellent role model.

CurlewKate · 05/07/2024 16:37

Jess Philips says that she and Angela Rayner are always being mistaken for each other. "You can see why. Common. Big tits"

I don't agree with either of them on everything- but I don't have to. That's the good thing about politics.

SerafinasGoose · 05/07/2024 16:38

Wideskye · 05/07/2024 16:31

Well said. Thank you.
I really wish there was a dislike button sometime.

Indeed. And if it were the 'consequence' of the attitudes their parties support, then how come the candidates being solely targeted, receiving death threats and having their tyres slashed, were women?

User14March · 05/07/2024 16:38

crochetmonkey74 · 05/07/2024 16:33

we don't have to compare

Agree, someone asked on AR & replying on my view there. Point taken though it’s not a competition.

User135644 · 05/07/2024 16:39

SerafinasGoose · 05/07/2024 16:29

If this really is the case, it's more than just slightly disturbing. It does rather confirm what I've started to suspect and seems to be following along the increasingly polarised (and misogynistic) attitudes women are having to contend with in this climate.

Ive Googled this and Phillips's name came up along with that of Shabana Mahmood. A PP upthread has pointed out that she's Muslim: in this particular context that is irrelevant.

She's a woman. That's what is sticking in their craw.

Not that simple. One of Jess's neighbouring MPs in Birmingham was a male from Pakistan who actually has lost his seat to one of these independents running on the Gaza policy.

A lot of Muslims are one issue voters over Israel/Gaza which is a big part of Labour's reduced vote share with some of these independents becoming MPs, like here and Leicester.

Hummingbird75 · 05/07/2024 16:39

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Don't be ridiculous. Hamas knew precisely what they were doing when they raped and murdered innocent babies and civilians in Israel and took so many people hostage. This was all planned. Nothing accidental about what they did. Knowing they would cause a retaliation. Which was guaranteed.

Of course Israel is going to defend itself, as any country would.

You are giving such a one sided version of events it is almost laughable, if it were not so deadly serious. This will not help bring peace, I can tell you that for nothing.

It is not okay to bring this issue to the streets of England with such violent abuse. Jess Phillips has no power to change the mind of the Israeli government even if she wanted to, it is not for her to wade into such a complex situation. She is there to work for the people in her area.

You are being entirely unreasonable.

It is not acceptable to treat others like this - in this country - we are a civilised and tolerant nation, and will not stand for this behaviour.

I want the laws changed urgently to protect MPs from this disgusting animalistic behaviour, with very long prison sentences. We are not going to carry on like this whether you like it or not.

Everyone feels impassioned about different issues globally but we do not harm others, and inflict our anger on others at will. That is called abuse, not protest.

Tracker1234 · 05/07/2024 16:40

I go to Birmingham a few times a month and have a good friend who lives there. Ladywood is truly awful and Sparkhill worse. It’s been completely taken over with men hanging around the streets and god knows what going on behind closed doors.

Prawncow · 05/07/2024 16:40

As someone has already pointed out, Jess Phillips actually stood down from Labour’s shadow cabinet so she could vote for a ceasefire, against the party whip. But why let facts get in the way.

The way she and her volunteers have been treated is pure misogyny. Have you seen male volunteers being harassed? Men being jeered while they give speeches?

Jody McIntyre should be banned from standing for public office. He conducted himself in a way that is totally inappropriate for anyone seeking to be part of our system of government. If you show such disrespect for fellow candidates you don’t deserve to be part of the process.

Yampy · 05/07/2024 16:40

crochetmonkey74 · 05/07/2024 15:57

I liked what Harriet Harman was suggesting that a cross party women's group gathers and tackles big issues

Harriet Harman 🤣 back in the day she was cosied up to PIE (Pedophile Information Exchange) she’s no friend to women.

IsThePopeCatholic · 05/07/2024 16:41

PrincessConsuelaBag · 05/07/2024 16:09

Wow Rachel Reeves first female chancellor! 👏

I like AR, she has truly worked her way up, she deserves huge credit.

Labour have got a lot of strong, capable women in the party - women who have had hard lives and who have fought to be heard. It’s so refreshing.

Kolbie · 05/07/2024 16:41

crochetmonkey74 · 05/07/2024 16:35

I will have sympathy for both

There is no cut off or boundary to empathy and love and wanting the best for people. I can hate what a person stands for and also not want them to be threatened or harassed against the rule of law in this country. I personally loathe Jacob Rees Mogg and all he stands for, likewise Farage. BUT I do not want them to have death threats, intimidation etc etc
We must remain civilised and adhere to our criminal justice system.

I don't believe it for a second. Weapons of mass destruction lie got us to go to war in Iraq. This is a perfect story for the Daily Mail so very likely concocted.
How dare anyone oppose Jess Phillip's siding with genocidal Israel is the undertone.

SiriAlexa · 05/07/2024 16:42

Is there an image of the men who were chanting? If they were an organised group, what was the group? Absolutely disgraceful behaviour and the men need to be named and shamed.

dotdotdotdash · 05/07/2024 16:42

Kolbie · 05/07/2024 16:13

She voted 'No' to a ceasefire so think I'll save my 'brave' comments to the women and children of Gaza having their limbs blown apart in a genocide. 'Brave' would be appropriately used for the children and people of Gaza having operations including c-sections without anaesthesia.
You can pick and choose when to support women but it comes across as racist and the people of Gaza are a million miles braver than an MP who didn't have it in her to call for a ceasefire. What kind of a human being doesn't call for a ceasefire?

I think she is a disgrace and cares not a jot for the females of Gaza. Weaponsing 'womanhood' is hypocritical when she said no to a ceasefire which would have saved a lot of female lives in Gaza not to mention lessened the physical and psychological horror they are experiencing.

There is 500 billion worth of gas off the coast of Gaza. Is that of more interest to her?!

You are spreading misinformation. It took me 30 seconds to determine that Jess Phillips actually stood down from the shadow cabinet in protest at the result on the vote over whether to call for a ceasefire. She was one of 56 Labour MPs who voted for a ceasefire:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-67439941

But don't let the truth get in the way of your diatribe. And your bleeding heart does nothing for the people of Gaza.

Jess Phillips

No animosity with Starmer over Gaza vote, Jess Phillips says

Jess Phillips MP quit her shadow bench role to defy Sir Keir Starmer and call for a ceasefire in Gaza.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-67439941

Hummingbird75 · 05/07/2024 16:44

And people wonder why Reform is gaining traction...

SerafinasGoose · 05/07/2024 16:44

User135644 · 05/07/2024 16:39

Not that simple. One of Jess's neighbouring MPs in Birmingham was a male from Pakistan who actually has lost his seat to one of these independents running on the Gaza policy.

A lot of Muslims are one issue voters over Israel/Gaza which is a big part of Labour's reduced vote share with some of these independents becoming MPs, like here and Leicester.

A totally false equivalence.

Did he have his tyres slashed? Receive death threats directed toward him or his family?

What you report is that he lost his seat via due democratic process. UK elections do not run on the basis of mob rule.

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