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Jess Phillips

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uneffingbelievable · 05/07/2024 14:52

What a brave lady.

Whilst I am not an ardent Labour supporter, I completely support you and how you have stood up to the bullying, racism, violence and hatred sent your way.

Sad that your family could not be there to see your victory but under the circumstances you made the right choice.

That this country is allowing this type of intimidation and behaviour - we should be ashamed of ourselves.

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EllaVoday · 06/07/2024 08:16

changefromhr · 05/07/2024 20:27

Funny how posters think this is a "Muslim" thing when Jo Cox was literally murdered by a far right, white bloke who was NOT a Muslim. Same with TRAs intimidating women. They aren't doing it in the name of Islam are they?
This is a man problem. They just won't let women be.
And stop conflating Pro palestine feeling with violence and intimidation. Its lazy thinking that is.

Yep. Let’s place all white men under curfew.

SharonEllis · 06/07/2024 08:20

User135644 · 05/07/2024 15:38

Doubt any Labour big hitters will want to stand in Birmingham again.

Then you misunderstand politics & the Labour Party!

SharonEllis · 06/07/2024 08:28

Kolbie · 05/07/2024 16:13

She voted 'No' to a ceasefire so think I'll save my 'brave' comments to the women and children of Gaza having their limbs blown apart in a genocide. 'Brave' would be appropriately used for the children and people of Gaza having operations including c-sections without anaesthesia.
You can pick and choose when to support women but it comes across as racist and the people of Gaza are a million miles braver than an MP who didn't have it in her to call for a ceasefire. What kind of a human being doesn't call for a ceasefire?

I think she is a disgrace and cares not a jot for the females of Gaza. Weaponsing 'womanhood' is hypocritical when she said no to a ceasefire which would have saved a lot of female lives in Gaza not to mention lessened the physical and psychological horror they are experiencing.

There is 500 billion worth of gas off the coast of Gaza. Is that of more interest to her?!

You see this is the sort of nonsense thst made that campaign toxic. You can't demand MPs support your interpretation of how to deal with a particular problem at a particular time & then go and harass them if they don't do exactly what you want. Representative democracy doesn't work like that. Calling for a ceasefire in a country you have no control over,from opposition, is a pretty impotent, virtue signalling gesture and conflicts like this dont get solved in that way. She didnt say no to a ceasefire - that is a deliberate mischaracterisation.You need to accept that there may be other approaches to solving problems. Lets see what difference these pro Gaza MPs actually make to the situation on the ground in Israel Gaza shall we?

BagFullOfNoodles · 06/07/2024 08:35

LuluBlakey1 · 05/07/2024 16:22

I really like her. However, she does not conform to any expectation of a Deputy Prime Minister- that's why she is hated. She's a woman, not public school educated, didn't go to Cambridge, has a broad Manchester accent, was a single mother, left school at 16 with no qualifications, was a care worker and a union organizer, has a 'lively' dress sense and can look a bit 'ungroomed and unsleek' at times.
It's snobbery and misogyny.

I don't understand this position. I am working class, I also didn't go to Cambridge, sleekly groomed had never been used to describe my, but I've been successful and so have some of my childhood friends, we all stand up for ourselves. It doesn't mean none of us are unlikeable, or we are above criticism.

Hummingbird75 · 06/07/2024 08:39

@Kolbie

I noticed you didn't answer any of my posts.

It is not Jess Phillips' job to 'save' the people of Gaza or anywhere else in the world! It is Jess Phillips job to represent the people in her area. Thats it.

Gaza is important to you, clearly, but there are other areas in the world where people are being killed - Sudan for example. So other people in your area may have different priorities, which are important to them.

We can not get embroiled in every atrocity around the world.

You are completely misunderstanding the role and function of an MP. She is there to serve local needs to local people. It is not her job to stand on a soap box and lecture world governments about their own defence policies for goodness sake.

You have stop screaming genocide and start to really consider how you can make a difference. Volunteering, sending aid and being part of the solution. Encouraging solution based thinking rather than more and more violence.

All you are doing is pouring petrol on the flames.

You are breaking the law if you are inciting hatred and abuse, it is not okay to threaten anyone, anywhere.

I hope the police and courts really start to clamp down on this now.

RunningThroughMyHead · 06/07/2024 08:55

Kolbie · 05/07/2024 16:13

She voted 'No' to a ceasefire so think I'll save my 'brave' comments to the women and children of Gaza having their limbs blown apart in a genocide. 'Brave' would be appropriately used for the children and people of Gaza having operations including c-sections without anaesthesia.
You can pick and choose when to support women but it comes across as racist and the people of Gaza are a million miles braver than an MP who didn't have it in her to call for a ceasefire. What kind of a human being doesn't call for a ceasefire?

I think she is a disgrace and cares not a jot for the females of Gaza. Weaponsing 'womanhood' is hypocritical when she said no to a ceasefire which would have saved a lot of female lives in Gaza not to mention lessened the physical and psychological horror they are experiencing.

There is 500 billion worth of gas off the coast of Gaza. Is that of more interest to her?!

And the women and girls in Israel? Who seemingly can't go to a concert without being slaughtered or kidnapped?

SharonEllis · 06/07/2024 09:06

Hummingbird75 · 06/07/2024 08:39

@Kolbie

I noticed you didn't answer any of my posts.

It is not Jess Phillips' job to 'save' the people of Gaza or anywhere else in the world! It is Jess Phillips job to represent the people in her area. Thats it.

Gaza is important to you, clearly, but there are other areas in the world where people are being killed - Sudan for example. So other people in your area may have different priorities, which are important to them.

We can not get embroiled in every atrocity around the world.

You are completely misunderstanding the role and function of an MP. She is there to serve local needs to local people. It is not her job to stand on a soap box and lecture world governments about their own defence policies for goodness sake.

You have stop screaming genocide and start to really consider how you can make a difference. Volunteering, sending aid and being part of the solution. Encouraging solution based thinking rather than more and more violence.

All you are doing is pouring petrol on the flames.

You are breaking the law if you are inciting hatred and abuse, it is not okay to threaten anyone, anywhere.

I hope the police and courts really start to clamp down on this now.

Agree with every word. I wonder how the single issue Gaza candidates will serve their constituents. Their job is now to represent all their constituents, yet we already know what they think of those that don't agree with them. Its concerning for democracy here & wont make a blind bit of difference there.

LuluBlakey1 · 06/07/2024 09:09

TriesNotToBeCynical · 05/07/2024 16:18

Being half Indian would make you not Islamophobic how??

Britain has always been a misogynist country-misogyny hasn’t been imported. Perhaps some people who have come to the country have also been, individually and culturally, misogynists but it was here before they arrived.
And it isn’t only men. There is a current thread about Angela Rayner on Mnet full of misogynistic attitudes and remarks by women about her. It exposes these Mnetters as snobs, misogynist and, no doubt, Tories or Reform voters.

mrshoho · 06/07/2024 09:10

tttigress · 06/07/2024 08:14

Shouldn't the police able to find those responsible rather than Jess Phillips? Or maybe they are too scared to police the area.

It was quite interesting the hecklers of Nigel Farage were immediately escorted out of the building, but the security seemed too scared to do anything at the Jess Phillips count.

It's that 2 tier policing in action. Mention it and you're quickly accused of racism. While people keep burying their heads reform will flourish.

Mainats · 06/07/2024 09:20

EsmaCannonball · 05/07/2024 17:32

I've said this on other threads but I think the effect of Reform and the Gaza 'Independents' on the results is incredibly worrying for the direction of UK politics. I also think the media should have given equal focus to the comments and behaviour of the Gaza lobby as they did to bigoted Reform candidates and workers.

About twenty years ago I worked in Birmingham and there were Muslim preachers who would harass women on the streets, with particular ire directed at women whom they suspected to be Muslims wearing 'western' dress. One of my colleagues, a Kenyan Muslim, used to get shouted at every day for not covering her hair. Another colleague, a Pakistani woman who had also lived in Abu Dhabi, said she had never felt pressure to cover her face and hair until she moved to Birmingham.

It's just very concerning that religious extremism and sympathy for totalitarian regimes has found an 'in' into mainland UK politics, especially at the same time as Farage and other Putin sympathisers are on the rise in Europe. Mainstream politicians need to stop claiming that there is nothing to see here.

It's the left that has allowed this - and I come from the metropolitan left. If you point out what these men stand for - men's rights and anti-homosexuality, anti-Jewish along with religious dominance - you're immediately called islamophobic. If you point out that trans activism is problematic in terms of women's and gay rights, you're immediately called transphobic. If you point out that mass immigration is changing society in ways that are not entirely beneficial, then you're called racist and a xenophobe. The aim is to silence anyone who speaks out.

But that will only hold for so long. The left has learned NOTHING from Brexit. Will it learn anything from the massive shift to the right across Europe? People in France, for instance, are not keen on seeing teachers beheaded on their streets, and they see the failure of their politicians to tackle the issues that led to it. If left leaning governments carry on ignoring the silenced majority, the far right is exactly what you will get.

User135644 · 06/07/2024 09:23

Mainats · 06/07/2024 09:20

It's the left that has allowed this - and I come from the metropolitan left. If you point out what these men stand for - men's rights and anti-homosexuality, anti-Jewish along with religious dominance - you're immediately called islamophobic. If you point out that trans activism is problematic in terms of women's and gay rights, you're immediately called transphobic. If you point out that mass immigration is changing society in ways that are not entirely beneficial, then you're called racist and a xenophobe. The aim is to silence anyone who speaks out.

But that will only hold for so long. The left has learned NOTHING from Brexit. Will it learn anything from the massive shift to the right across Europe? People in France, for instance, are not keen on seeing teachers beheaded on their streets, and they see the failure of their politicians to tackle the issues that led to it. If left leaning governments carry on ignoring the silenced majority, the far right is exactly what you will get.

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They'll be sorry when they hear these men's views on Trans as well.

SerendipityJane · 06/07/2024 09:26

I wonder how the single issue Gaza candidates will serve their constituents. Their job is now to represent all their constituents, yet we already know what they think of those that don't agree with them.

The theory is they will be so pisspoor that they won't be re elected.

The practice may well be that the constituency becomes like any other one hidebound by rosette voting, and people just return the same old same old. On fact given that's what happens in almost every other constituency in the UK, it would be positively weird if it didn't.

Of course if you are an excluded constituent whose vote is effectively ignored or wasted then you might lose faith in democracy.

At this point there is a convergence of issues with PR, and electoral representation in general.

mrshoho · 06/07/2024 09:27

https://themuslimvote.co.uk/about-us/

And this is why every vote matters to all in the UK. Is this website even legal?

About Us | The Muslim Vote

https://themuslimvote.co.uk/about-us

SerendipityJane · 06/07/2024 09:31

mrshoho · 06/07/2024 09:27

https://themuslimvote.co.uk/about-us/

And this is why every vote matters to all in the UK. Is this website even legal?

Why would it not be ?

mrshoho · 06/07/2024 09:35

You put your post code in and a tool tells you which candidate to vote for. I thought religious organisations had strict rules against promoting candidates. Do impartiality rules no longer apply?

Cattyisbatty · 06/07/2024 09:39

MauveCrow · 05/07/2024 16:04

Spit what out, that I think the islamisation of politics in certain constituencies is a bad thing?

One would hope everyone agreed with that.

I agree with you. I’m Jewish and it scares me to the core. I’m much more worried about the obsession with Palestine from the far-left and radical Muslims than Reform (which is ridiculous as they’re basically the National Front).
In France, Jews are voting for the far right as they’re more scared of the far/left than Le Pen. How fucked is that?
I hope everyone in here who is a supporter of the Pally flag really understands the history of the Midfle East / even Palestinians are now sick of Hamas - there was a good bbc article about this online the other day.

Mainats · 06/07/2024 09:42

TonTonMacoute · 05/07/2024 18:08

Bear in mind that Labour have been talking about bringing in a law to specifically outlaw Islamophobia, even though hate crimes against Muslims are already covered in existing legislation.

Be aware that such an Islamophobia law could be used by extreme Islamist groups like this to aggressively shut down any criticism of anyone who is Muslim.

Do you really want to risk being prosecuted for Islamophobia for pointing out the violent misogyny of these hecklers?

This makes my blood run cold. It will have the opposite effect. It might silence people who move in metropolitan circles, but it will enrage those living at the sharp end of mass immigration. It will almost guarantee a huge swing to the right-wing populist parties.

ChallahPlaiter · 06/07/2024 09:45

Kolbie · 05/07/2024 16:13

She voted 'No' to a ceasefire so think I'll save my 'brave' comments to the women and children of Gaza having their limbs blown apart in a genocide. 'Brave' would be appropriately used for the children and people of Gaza having operations including c-sections without anaesthesia.
You can pick and choose when to support women but it comes across as racist and the people of Gaza are a million miles braver than an MP who didn't have it in her to call for a ceasefire. What kind of a human being doesn't call for a ceasefire?

I think she is a disgrace and cares not a jot for the females of Gaza. Weaponsing 'womanhood' is hypocritical when she said no to a ceasefire which would have saved a lot of female lives in Gaza not to mention lessened the physical and psychological horror they are experiencing.

There is 500 billion worth of gas off the coast of Gaza. Is that of more interest to her?!

Not everyone can hear your dog whistle antisemitism. But some of us can, and it’s deplorable that you use your racial hatred to justify violence against women in politics. We’ve all seen where that kind of rhetoric ends.

EllaVoday · 06/07/2024 09:47

ChallahPlaiter · 06/07/2024 09:45

Not everyone can hear your dog whistle antisemitism. But some of us can, and it’s deplorable that you use your racial hatred to justify violence against women in politics. We’ve all seen where that kind of rhetoric ends.

Which bits are dog whistle antisemitism?

ChallahPlaiter · 06/07/2024 10:09

EllaVoday · 06/07/2024 09:47

Which bits are dog whistle antisemitism?

Gosh, I think having to explain that would rather defeat the point I was making!

KimberleyClark · 06/07/2024 10:22

BagFullOfNoodles · 06/07/2024 08:35

I don't understand this position. I am working class, I also didn't go to Cambridge, sleekly groomed had never been used to describe my, but I've been successful and so have some of my childhood friends, we all stand up for ourselves. It doesn't mean none of us are unlikeable, or we are above criticism.

Angela Rayner was interviewed on the ITV election night programme. She was outside and it started raining. She asked for second to get an umbrella. Next day big headline “Rayner stops programme to get umbrella”. Ridiculous.

Kolbie · 06/07/2024 10:51

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brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 06/07/2024 10:55

ChallahPlaiter · 06/07/2024 09:45

Not everyone can hear your dog whistle antisemitism. But some of us can, and it’s deplorable that you use your racial hatred to justify violence against women in politics. We’ve all seen where that kind of rhetoric ends.

There is nothing antisemitic in that post. Absolutely nothing.

SharonEllis · 06/07/2024 10:58

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I think your mask has slipped. Its grossly offensive to equate the war in Gaza to the Holocaust, not least because Hamas started the latest round of conflict by attacking Jewish civilians & taking them hostage. You may disagree with the Israeli response but to equate it to the Holocaust is so inaccurate that we can only assume an ulterior motive in distorting the facts to this degree.

ChallahPlaiter · 06/07/2024 11:02

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As is your absolute right.

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