Voting in an hour - tell me why I shouldn’t vote reform

[Wentie]

This isn’t a wind up. I’ve done countless different quiz type things and the policies I most align to come out strongly reform. I would previously have been a Tory voter. I don’t like farage and I do feel prejudiced against reform from what is portrayed in the media - but their policies appeal to me. Anyone have any actual facts or glaring holes that I might have missed?

Do you believe Reform have any fully costed policies?

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They don't need to because there is zero chance of them being in Downing Street.

If you aren't independent enough to make your own mind up you shouldn't vote. I don't care which party you vote for, why should I try and change your mind? If you need advice from mummy best not to bother voting.

The main reason that you should not vote for Nigel Farage is because he is very charismatic but he is not a good person. His party is just a vehicle for him with no checks and balances. The history of democracy from the ancient Greeks onwards tells us that voting for people like this leads to disaster.

I would therefore never vote for him regardless of his policies. However I did read his manifesto last night and it's basically Liz Truss on steroids. Plans to massively reduce taxes whilst increasing public spending. Would lead to disaster in around 10 seconds as the markets stopped wanting to lend Britain money.

Le Pen in france has strong links back to the German Fascist party in history and farage was using his time as an MEP to swan around parts of Europe to meetr up woth lepen, Melloni (Italy° and other right wing party leaders allegedly part funded by Putin although like the UK Russian interference inquiry, the actual inquiry has either been dropped or results will not appear for another decade. Farage and Steve Bannon, a didtruptor based in the USA and Aaron Banks as 'financier' have been agitating since well before 2008. Still, the subject is the election in the UK today for which I was excluded because my ballot paper did not arrive.

I remember him saying that the Cameron austerity cuts weren’t deep enough when they caused lots of pain.

They are going to repeal the Equality Act 2010. Women really need that act.

Wow. There are some vicious anti-Reform comments here. And the mumsnetters making those comments are probably people who call others “fascists”! What a joke. OP, please vote for what you believe in. Ignore the bullies.

Canada ans Australia aligns to the ECHR the us does not therefore has the death penalty etc. You really think that the US has decent human rights? Guantanamo bay? Abortion? Shootings? Fascist police?

OP didn't vote Reform. Thank fuck.

Nice language. Exactly what I would expect. Good luck to you.

Perhaps you could read my other posts and answer my arguments, seeing as you are so eloquent. But here's a hint, calling people bullies when they point out the facts about Nigel Farage and the Reform party and not coming back with any arguments, reasonable or otherwise, when that is EXACTLY what the OP asked for, isn't terribly eloquent.

There is no need to get all hysterical. 😂🤣 I said what I wanted to say. What is your problem? My comment was mainly about your swearing.

Well yes. Because a lot of Reform candidates have shown themselves to be racist, sexist, Putin supporters or people who think Hitler was misunderstood. Haven't you been reading the news?

If you want to be represented by those kinds of people, go ahead and vote Reform.

Stay in your burrow. I hope you are ok.

What? I'm fine thanks for asking 😂 Very chirpy today. Feeling like I might get my country back. I hope you are OK too 👍

Just to add you mention Reform doesn't care about the disabled... I can only speak for what Sunak is trying to do to PIP payments- absolutely shocking and targeting our most vulnerable in society . I've no time for any of the parties to be honest they all have major flaws. Let's just say conservative don't have my vote this time due to the PiP ..

How is my post hysterical? Do point it out. Your subsequent posts show that you can't reply to anyone with a well thought out argument and can only get personal, so that speaks volumes about your intelligence. Come on, come out with a good reason to vote Reform, one you can really argue.

The way disable people have been demonised in this country is appalling, I agree. They are all letting us down in some way. I think this is the first election where I really have not been enthusiastic to get out and vote.

I'm not part of Reform's target market - but will take a guess that Reform doesn't help people feel they have more in common?

It just feels so much better to break out of resentment and be part of something bigger, whether that's on the mainstream right, left or centre.

Sure, here's a little quiz I've made to help you decide if a party has fascist tendencies or not, completed for Reform.

Is your party fascist?

Do you have a charismatic leader who embodies the movement and creates a cult-like following? Check: Farage ticks that box.

Do you reject multiculturalism? Check: Reform is very critical of multiculturalism and promotes cultural homogeneity.

Do you have a strong anti-immigration stance? Check: Reform advocates for strict immigration controls and has expressed strong views against immigration.

Do you use populist rhetoric to appeal to the "common people" against the perceived corrupt elite? Check: Reform uses populist rhetoric, positioning itself as the voice of the "true people" (despite being created entirely by elitists)

Do you emphasise nationalism and national sovereignty? Check: Reform UK places strong emphasis on British sovereignty, independence from the EU, and national identity.

Do you use discriminatory rhetoric against specific ethnic, religious, or social groups? Check: Reform make discriminatory insinuations and statements against Muslims and other minorities regularly.

Do you take a tough law and order stance, especially towards those with opposing views? Check: Reform advocates for stringent law and order policies, especially againt groups or individuals with opposing or "woke" views.

Do you support suppressing rights?
Check: Reform has expressed a desire to leave the ECHR and has opposed various forms of protest, particularly those they disagree with.

Do you rejection democratic norms Check: Reform are a Ltd company, accountable to no-one and have already started to insinuate there is an establishment plot in the media and elsewhere to rig the system against them.

While Reform probably aren't full blown fascists just now that's only because they need to keep a veneer of decency about them, but make no mistake, the moment Farage and his shadowy backers feel they have a foothold the mask will be off.

Michael Rosen on fascism:

Fascism: I sometimes fear...

I sometimes fear that
people think that fascism arrives in fancy dress
worn by grotesques and monsters
as played out in endless re-runs of the Nazis.

Fascism arrives as your friend.
It will restore your honour,
make you feel proud,
protect your house,
give you a job,
clean up the neighbourhood,
remind you of how great you once were,
clear out the venal and the corrupt,
remove anything you feel is unlike you...

It doesn't walk in saying,
"Our programme means militias, mass imprisonments, transportations, war and persecution."

Great quiz. Wish I could keep it somehow

because it's a limited company owned by Nigel Farage not a political party. You might as well vote for Boots.