Voting in an hour - tell me why I shouldn’t vote reform

[Wentie]

This isn’t a wind up. I’ve done countless different quiz type things and the policies I most align to come out strongly reform. I would previously have been a Tory voter. I don’t like farage and I do feel prejudiced against reform from what is portrayed in the media - but their policies appeal to me. Anyone have any actual facts or glaring holes that I might have missed?

Reform, of course.

Farage has spoken sympathetically of Andrew Tate and his 'masculine' tough-guy views.

Far more women are killed or injured by tough-guy partners and exes than by trans people.

Farage is actively pro-Trump. Trump has appointed Supreme Court judges who have removed women's reproductive rights.

Same.

It's playing the devil's advocate years ago taken out of context to elicit an emotional fart in pre-election audience.

I've done as much - I've "called for" pro-Palestine Uni girls to be sent to Gaza. Obviously, I wouldn't want that on my conscience. That would be awful (and herein the point of the statement).

I roll my eyes at female combat soldiers and increasingly so at female prison officers in male institutions.

Don't vote based on your emotional flatulence. Look around and vote for your needs.

bit late but for others considering!

OK I’ve decided.

I can’t bring myself to vote Reform because even though I agree with some of their ideas, I am not going to enable a party who does actually work against British born ethnic minorities.

It is more important to me to get rid of our local MP or at least give her a damn good kick up the arse. So LibDem it is. I hear our local LibDem bloke is a decent guy.

Thanks for helping me decide.

If these vile comments don't bother you, you are either a sadist (if male) or a masochist (if female). Or at best aren't paying attention.

Christ.

I mean, this is fascinating.

Here we have someone apparently saying they considered voting Reform because they agree with some of their policies, but because some of their other policies are too extreme it'll be Lib Dem instead.

Is there any common ground at all between Reform and Lib Dem? I can't see any.

So what it comes down to is the desire to give the incumbent MP a kicking and nothing more?

If a lot of people are voting for this reason then it demonstrates how fucked our democratic system is.

I wouldn't vote Reform because it is a private company, set up to profit Nigel Farage. As PP have pointed out, the man has made a living from being a disrupter. I don't think he believes in anything, he just says whatever wins over rich bigots to line his pockets and poor ones to give him social media standing. I was completely opposed to Maggie Thatcher's politics but at least she genuinely believed that what she was doing was for the good of the country. Farage doesn't give a shit about the country as long as he gets rich. I cannot believe people actually think he will stand up for women's rights when he doesn't even think women should have maternity leave. Do you remember how the fishermen of Cornwall thought he was their hero during Brexit? He hung them out to dry as well. Nigel doesn't want to be in power, because then he would be held accountable for everything he does. He just wants the money.

Huntley didn't "deserve to live for what he did to those two girls" and that's an absolutely ridiculous way to frame the question.

Human beings have an inalienable right to life that is utterly non-negotiable. It's why we punish people who kill others. Nobody, not an individual, or a government, has a right to kill other people regardless of what they have or have not done.

You lose every single shred of moral authority when you first of all make laws that criminalise killing people, then, make other laws that set out how you plan to kill people yourself. Capital punishment is utterly indefensible, and invariably the hallmark of the hard of thinking, and societies that value vengeance and spite over humanity.

You are the one espousing needlessly killing human beings. I'd suggest it's you there is something seriously wrong with.

There is nothing wrong with tactical voting? Parliamentary, multi party systems pretty much require it. Its baked in.

I have read your subsequent updates and I am glad you didn't vote for them.

As for women's right, they believe in the "Great Replacement" conspiracy (although they are not too open about this, you can find it in the social media posts of their members). In case you don't know what that is, they think there is a world wide conspiracy to replace the "white" race with people of color.

To prevent this they want white women to be having white babies (again, you have to dig a little to find evidence of this, but it's there). It's similarly to what happened in Nazi germany. One of the first things the nazis did, was to shut down all the abortion clinics, while forcing abortions on women of color.

In short, they want to remove the reproductive freedom from all women and just use us as incubators where they see fit.

It is part of the reason women in America lost their national right to abortion and it's now being removed from all women, state by state.

Critical thinking is on the curriculum; it's part of the core subject English. It's also probably the most misused phrase across forums all over the internet.

Can somebody who is labelling this party as 'fascists', please explain to me how they align with fascism? I've noticed that the word 'fascist' seems to be thrown around quite liberally here, and I wonder whether those that do this truly understand what it means.

Tactical voting seems unusually objectionable to sone

The offerings are you can vote for a,b or c but we can only actually give you a or b and then you chose out of what is actually available what you prefer

Voting none tactically is like selecting something that's labelled "out of stock " in your weekly shop - pointless for everyone

You don't have to support either Reform or Labour, you can vote for other parties.

This reason

Vote reform if you want to. You need to decide yourself.

He didn’t say that, I checked.

What do you understand by fascit ?

Far right - yip
Dictatorial leader - farage
Belief in a natural social hierarchy - that puts women quite low down
Racial purity - keep those immigrants out
Rule of elites - is what they do in practise although they are keen to tell you they are anti elitist ( farage educated at Dulwich )

Don't waste your vote on a 'party' that promotes a list of 'nice ideas' in the sure knowledge that there is no way to make them happen. They aren't serious.

And just who is going to carry out these death penalties? It's prison guards who are made to become killers against their will. They can't even talk about this with their loved ones, as they have to keep that part of their jobs a secret.

Apart from that, the death penalty is an extremely expensive penal system to maintain.

Furthermore, it does not provide closure to the victims of the families. On the contrary, it takes so long to carry out that these people feel like their lives are on hold.

It's much easier, cheaper and just as effective to lock up the most dangerous criminals for life.

Yes I do understand what it means. You can look it up yourself. You could also read Umberto Eco’s famous essay and see the parallels yourself.

I don’t use it as an insult—though you may feel insulted. Its really a technical term in political history and philosophy.

Yes, all of this really.

The fact that they tolerate (and quietly promote) sexist, racist, homophobic views should be enough to put you off. Their constant "surprise" that another bigot has popped up amongst their ranks is tiresome.

Alongside this, their policies are designed to resonate with people having a tough time and intended to scapegoat certain communities, when it just isn't accurate. It diverts the blame from people exactly like Farage, who are the main reason our country is in the state it is.

Policies are untenable & uncosted and as they wont be elected into power, they can pretty much say what they like.

Is there any common ground at all between Reform and Lib Dem? I can't see any

Not really but you can agree with Reform on some things and Libdems on others. When I've done the online surveys I've come out mainly Libdem and Green, but that doesn't mean I disagree with every single point in Reform's manifesto. Even they have the odd sensible idea (if it were remotely feasible) and they have said they'll protect single sex spaces (while wanting women back in the kitchen).

Dictators, generally speaking, tend not to engage in the democratic system. Historically, they've never been particularly keen on the notion of electorcal reform which would likely result in more coalition governments.

I don't recall ever hearing Farage speak about racial purity - you've made that up.

Far right - well, that's debatable. When I think of the modern far-right, I think of neonazism. Reform are certainly right wing, but the use of 'far-right', similar to the misuse of the term 'fascist' risks devaluing the severity of actual dangerous groups.

Fascist regimes also tend to believe in the role of the big state - Reform favour a business-led, free market approach.

I'm not voting for them, by the way. I just think that language is important.