Voting in an hour - tell me why I shouldn’t vote reform

[Wentie]

This isn’t a wind up. I’ve done countless different quiz type things and the policies I most align to come out strongly reform. I would previously have been a Tory voter. I don’t like farage and I do feel prejudiced against reform from what is portrayed in the media - but their policies appeal to me. Anyone have any actual facts or glaring holes that I might have missed?

if you have done a test and your beliefs align more with a particular party - why wouldn't you vote for them?

It looks as though Reform are going to have an MP - have you checked who they will generally vote with? will it be a waste of a vote, or do you think you may as well vote for the 2nd best one that aligns with your beliefs?

You seem to be unable to answer my question.

You also do not offend me. I'm an EU national with no intention of voting at all - let alone for the party who promoted the biggest act of national self harm in Brexit that I'll likely ever witness in my lifetime.

I just think Farage is all talk and no substance. There are a lot of people in this country who feel ignored and disillusioned and along he comes talking very loudly and claiming to have all the answers, when in reality I just do not believe that he would know what action to take to solve issues around the nhs, cost of living etc. Just like with brexit he convinced a lot of people to vote for his way of thinking but where was he when the votes came in? He left everyone else to try and sort the mess he had created.

The state of the place is dire, I'll grant you, but it has very little if anything to do with Brexit.

Brexit itself was, and still is, a very sound decision. I am more relieved than ever that we are out. The way that so many post-Brexit opportunites have been squandered or ignored or screwed up, on the other hand, has been appalling. We can blame infighting among the Leave and Remain factions within the government and the civil service for that. Too many people who wield power would rather have put their energies into trying to thwart it or reverse it, or make it fail by stealth to prove a point, than accept it, work with it and see the country benefit.

Although for the vast majority of people day to day life is pretty much as it ever was, there is no obvious shortage of EU imported food on the shelves and wages for people at the lower end have risen. The cost of living crisis can't be pinned on Brexit as it's affecting EU countries and also America and Canada. That's more a hangover from Covid and the effects of the war in Ukraine than anything. And the interest rate rises caused by a knee jerk reaction to Liz Truss's mini budget are nothing to do with Brexit either.

One of the biggest issues stopping us resolving the small boats issue has been the reluctance to leave the ECHR, which has hamstrung us. Yet there is no need for us to still be in it, post-Brexit.

Besides which, have you looked closely at the state of the EU lately? At France?
The EU is in a complete state of flux. The reason we are about to get a Labour government and not a Reform one is precisely because we are out of the EU.

The EU is undergoing a mutiny of sorts. It's limping badly and struggling to hold it together. If it were not for the fact that most EU countries have shot themselves in the foot by joining the Euro, making leaving even more compicated and torturous than it was for us, I think the EU would probably have imploded already.

France, Italy, the Netherlands, Germany, Belgium all increasingly dissatisfied with it. Farmers rioting everywhere. Georgia Meloni, Marine Le Pen, the AdF. Gheert Wilders. Need I go on?

Meanwhile, we are going to get Keir Starmer. Why do you think that is? Let me give you a clue. It's not because all those lifelong Tories have suddenly shifted to Labour. Lots of people feel let down by this lot of Tories but would rather abstain rather than vote for Keir Starmer's Labour. Some will vote Lib Dem but only if they were Remainers. Lots will vote for Reform. Either way we are going to get Starmer. I don't think any of that means that many people who voted for Brexit have changed their minds and wish they could turn the clock back and vote Remain.

You aren't voting Reform as a party, you are voting Farage as CEO of Reform LTD which is essentially a dictatorship. So up to you if you want to hand control of your views to him because that's what a Reform vote actually means. It's not about policies or manifestos because it is a company, not a democratic parry. Its about giving Farage power.

Would love to see the face behind your screen. Christ…

Think of the most vulnerable person you know and vote with them in mind.

It's your life, and democratic right.

Do whatever you want, not sure why anyone should care.

This article tells you exactly who Farage is and who he works with. Seriously shady people backed by Russia.

He’s not who you think he is. A vote for Reform is categorically and undeniably a vote against Britain and Western Europe’s interests.

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2018/06/18/the-russia-conspiracy-is-unraveling-across-the-pond/

I agree that a vote for Farage and Reform UK is a vote for Russian interests. I have no idea why people do not pay more attention to this. There is lots of research to show this.
Russia is waging a war against the UK. It is just not a military war.

Do you support Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine and the very real threat that regime poses to our country and the rest of the west, that could culminate in a nuclear war? If so, do vote Reform

None so blind as those who will not see.

Famously Hitler got in by being elected and then became, well, der Fuhrer. So the fact that a political party may use democratic party politics to get into power doesn’t tell you what they will do with power after they get in.

As for the anti immigrant and racist undertones and signaling of Farage and his ilk —you don’t understand mass marketing, popular culture, or populism.

There are actual neo nazis snd various varities of out and proud fascistsand they all seem to be able to recognize one another. They show up at each others rallies, favorably mention each other, support each others policies, share blueprints for coming into power. This is why Trump, Orban, and Farage all make common cause.

Yesterday Reform UK candidate Darren Ingrouille described autistic people as ‘vegetables’

I’ve done similar personality type tests to determine where I am politically.
I come out as a Left leaning Progressive but tbh when I look at all the very left policies that’s not me. I’m far more centre than left.

So I wouldn’t base your vote on these quizzes. I’d base your vote on areas that are important to you and if you like that will help grow the economy as well and not negatively affect businesses and ultimately the ability to work.

This would put most people off:

A Reform candidate has suspended her campaign and defected to the Tories, saying the "vast majority" of others standing for Nigel Farage's party are "racist, misogynistic, and bigoted".
Georgie David, who was the candidate for West Ham and Beckton, is the second person to jump ship amid allegations of racism within the ranks of Reform UK.

And then there's this:
Reform UK candidate described autistic people as ‘vegetables’
Darren Ingrouille, the party’s prospective MP for Chelmsford, made the jibe on social media..

There are a lot more, just Google "Reform candidates who have been suspended" it makes for an eye opening read. Of course all the parties have wrong 'uns in them but what matters is how they deal with them and also why Refrom seems to attract people with such extreme views

This article summarises some of the calibre of people Reform attracted. Who weren’t vetted. It’s not up to date with the latest incidents but jesus wept:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/full-list-every-controversial-reform-candidate/

But that won't stop people misquoting him for their own ends. These people work on the basis that if they keep misquoting or misrepresenting their adversary's words, they'll eventually get taken as fact. it happens all the time.

Do you really think they can make it so the NHS has no waiting lists?! 🤣

If Labour get in with a huge majority due to the split right wing vote, it won’t send the shitters up them, they won’t care less how the rest of the vote was split, they’ll just rejoice in their mandate to rule and the ability to push through any policy they want due to the huge majorly. The odd dissenting voice in the chamber will have no effect on the parliamentary voting

He even charges the faithful to attend his rallies. The good people of Clacton had to pay £3.41p (very odd sum of money) to rock up and listen to him. No doubt this self styled "man of the people" has already made a handsome profit from his current incarnation as prospective parliamentary candidate for one of the most deprived towns in the country.

Just seen OP, didn't vote Reform. Thank you OP and for being gracious and measured in your responses to some pretty rude and nasty replies. I understand your frustrations with many things about this country but I'd strongly argue Reform is not the solution to them ...

Who did you vote for op?

This is the kind of people you are voting for. Go ahead if those are your views.

They can if they abolish it and start an insurance-based scheme based on the American model which is what Farge wants. No NHS, no waiting lists! like a magic trick.

Yep. And Russia is supporting the party and Farage. This is not speculation. There is credible research to show this. A vote for Reform is a vote against Britain.