Voting labour for the first time. Anyone else?

[Lupina12]

Labour are far from perfect, but I like Keir Starmer and I think they are the best party to turn things around from the awful mess the incumbents have got us into.

He’s not glossy or witty or funny, but he seems decent - (he clearly has a wonderful wife and that only reflects well on him!)

Anyway, just curious - anyone else voting Labour for the first time? I’m 40 by the way and in the south east.

And pigs can fly

Despite your username, are you sure you're even old enough to vote? It's not 16 yet, you know?

One thing I Never understood about the labour government is why they introduced benefits for working people at all. Tax credits were the start of it.

Surely labour with all its links to Trade Unions should have campaigned and compelled employers to pay better wages. No, they just made working people dependent on benefits. And now they complain they don't get enough.

You see many threads on here about people wanting to cut their hours or stay below certain hours, so they get universal credit and all the passport benefits with it.

There is thread on here from a day or 2 ago with a working couple pissed of they don't qualify for free school meals and free holiday camps whilst deliberately looking to cut hours further to qualify.

Yes they should just let those silly lazy underpaid or unemployed people starve. No benefits for them. That will teach them 🙄
Note- levels of employment do not fall when you improve benefits in fact the opposite. Or alternatively you could pay living wages to those in employment. Easy

@HowIrresponsible how irresponsible then that the Tories in 14 YEARS haven’t changed anything for the better.

No. I’d rather not vote than vote for Labour.

Well now you'll know how many of us have felt for the past decade.

I'd agree. But working people already bitch they don't get enough money from benefits so imagine how much they'd bitch if the tories took them away. Which they should have.

"Yes they should just let those silly lazy underpaid or unemployed people starve. No benefits for them. That will teach them 🙄"

What happened before the era of tax credits ?

Corporates had to pay workers a decent wage.

If anything tax credits should be removed, minimum wage should go up.

Tax credits represent a net subsidy from the middle/higher paid working class to the corporates.

Sounds more like a Tory policy than a Labour one.

The pandemic happened to every single country on the planet. The endless borrowing, spiralling debt, and utterly stagnant economy was a constant theme from the moment the Tories took office until the pandemic hit in 2020. What's happened since is merely a continuation.

The UK is once again the "sick man of Europe". The Polish economy, and Polish standard of living is expected to surpass that of the UK within 15 years. This is a country that was in the thrall of the Soviet fucking Union until 1989.

Labour's "plan" for more debt and more taxes? So a continuation of Tory policy from 2010-2024?

"No plan for Immigration". How are those Rwanda flights working out? The reason the Tories have done nothing whatsoever about rising migration is because even they realise it is absolutely necessary for the continued operation of UK public service. Regardless of what they say to placate the "they are taking our jobs" morons, even the Tories understand that the UK is toast without permitting more and more economic migrants in to pick up the slack... left by the exodus of EU workers who didn't bother to stay after the UK electorate, in their wisdom, basically told them to fuck off home because they were no longer welcome. How's that one worked out for you Brexiteers eh? Got rid of all the eastern european voices in hospitals and care homes, only to find yourself and grandad surrounded by even more brown faced people. I'm sure you are thrilled with that eh?

"Not willing to get off their arses" Hmm.... have you looked at employment figures recently? One of the reasons the economy is stagnant is that our form of free-market capitalism absolutely requires joblessness and redundancy, and the fact we have low unemployment and yet businesses are still unable to operate for lack of staff/employees tells you all you need to know. Hint- it's fuck all to do with a supposedly "feckless" workforce.

😂 you wait and see .. Starmergeddon
you won’t know what’s hit you
Starmer is a flake .. he’s just lucky …
The honeymoon will end very soon and he will have to take the heat .. big style
of he doesn’t deliver this land of Milk and honey that he’s proposing then there’s gonna be trouble big time from his supporters no doubt

You mean after the GLOBAL financial crisis where Rishi profited by many many millions from a deal that lead to the tax payer having to bail out Royal bank of Scotland?

Nope, women voting for Labour are literally women voting for Labour. You may consider them turkeys voting for christmas but that would be a metaphor.

I've voted Labour more than anything else and in last council elections I voted lib dem.
Labour won't get my vote because they have not said how they will fix the endless issues that not just us but all countries have had. German voters are unhappy, Italian, French, dutch.

We all face the same issues and I'm not convinced labour can solve them.
On education there are things they could have said to reassure me that they even understand what's going wrong in education. They didn't.

Same with the NHS. How are they going to get us more docs appt?
How are they going to make waiting lists move faster?
How will they stop boats? The tories were already going after the gangs and to no avail.
They said they will be process people faster but how when they destroy their papers?
What about the terrorist threat?
I remember London Bridge, isis etc?

And lastly of course, what constitutes being female.

It's been marked during this campaign people are voting to get the tories out, a good thing, we need change but not voting for Labour because they love Labour.

Where is he promising a land of milk and honey? You’re just making this up😂.

Everyone I know who is voting for Labour knows that it's not going to be easy for Starmer. There's no magic tree to shake – your lot have given most of the money to their mates in contracts. Everyone knows that, and everyone knows that the Tories have tanked the economy and pillaged the reserves. But Starmer under pressure is still infinitely preferable to your lot continuing to rob us blind and drive public services into the ground.

I'm on the threshold of nmw and because it went up I now pay more tax. I'm happy to pay tax and I pay it on other income but I do believe it makes s lot of sense to raise the threshold a lot for lower paid workers.

Amen!!

Bookmark they started 14 years ago with the infamous note : no money left.
But to be fair to Labour they ended on the credit crisis. Do you remember people Leaving desks with their stuff in boxes, runs on the bank? People loosing jobs left right and center and huge government bail outs.
That's what the tories inherited.
Then they got hit by covid /brexit and the cost of living crisis
It's not been a good run for anyone in the past 20 years.
We will probably hit a cyclic high now and labour will get praise.

What are you...3 years old??

@Hummingbird75

Not one person I've read on endless threads about this who think it's a non issue: seems to have done any research into it.

Ie they don't say.. I've read x y and z and I can see the reach and brainwashing of b, however...

They don't get it and clearly don't want too (rather like starmer until backed into a wall).

No they didn't and no they haven't.

Yes, the Tories did inherit an economy hit hard by the banking crisis, there's no disputing that. But instead of pushing growth by investing in manufacturing and services, the Tories brought in austerity instead and cut public services to the bone. And then kept cutting for the next 14 years. And yes, the pandemic was a fiscal nightmare for them too, but they gave away billions to their mates that could've been spent on public services. Not to mention failing to go after corporations like Amazon for tax. The Tories could've made us all richer in terms of life quality but instead they propped up the wealthy and made food banks the new corner shops.

And with the lowest rates in history, didn’t borrow to invest as a more sensible government would-instead, David and George were ideologically wedded to austerity. And I voted for them!