Lucy Letby ( To understand)

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What made her kill these babies. Been in the news again today.

It's hard to understand?
Presume as she is in prison and not a hospital, she is not mentally ill?

Will anyone try to find out, I guess if people don't admit they are guilty it's hard too.

Instead of people saying give me 5 mins in a cell with her, surely it's better to stop this happening or maybe it's not possible?
Why does she want to be one of the most hated women in the universe and not give a shit about the babies families and even her own parents?

So much better to be known for doing something nice and have people like you?
AIBU to wonder why she took this road in life?

I suspect she enjoyed playing god to be honest.

Whilst I totally understand what you are saying. I suspect her answer, if she gave it would be of nonsense to the normal person.

you could ask the same of many people charged with horrific crimes, and I imagine unless you were them in their head it’s impossible to truly understand whatever they did.

Same reason Harold Shipman killed his patients, I expect, control, playing god, perhaps she’s a psychopath or just plain evil. I don’t suppose we’ll ever really know.

I thought she did it because she fancied the doctor that came to rescue and she enjoyed the buzz, drama and attention. Sort of like munchausen by proxy.

She may not be hospitalised because she may not be thought to benefit from medical intervention, but I struggle to see how she could be judged to be of sound mind. Mentally and emotionally healthy people do not murder multiple babies for no apparant gain other than the pleasure of power or attention. I don't believe in 'pure evil'. It's a vague religious concept not a human condition. Human beings commit evil deeds. Where they do so for no apparant reason, there is something broken and twisted in their minds.

She liked control, she hated herself so made others desperately sad, she liked drama and to look like she was an angel

it’s so desperately shocking and so sad on those babies and their wonderful parents

She better hope Joanna Dennehy dosent get hold of her.
Dennehy another vile piece of work threatened to kill Rose West, they had to move Rose West out when they were in the same prison.

The irony one bit of work threatens to kill another one.
I'd rather be dead than be in prison for ever and I take my hat off to those who have to look after them everyday.
Even if you do want to play God why??🙄

I think likely she got something from the attention and chaos - came to life in 'crisis' mode. People always talk about how 'bland' she was outside of work.

Dont know but I suspect her being a pathetic loser who would never amount to anything and knowing it probably played a little bit of a part

I don’t know a great deal about the case but you can certainly be mentally ill and still be housed in a prison. You have to be pretty mad to be in a secure psychiatric unit and I don’t think she’s that kind of mad. She certainly knew what she was doing but as for why, it might be a complicated mix of factors including power, attention, and other things that are relatively hard to get your head round as a ‘normal’ person.

I just can't fathom it at all, it's one of those cases where you want to believe the conspiracy theories.

Few people are born evil but I believe there are a few- she’s one

I once worked with someone who got really excited when someone died (large nursing home so pretty common).

I think she enjoyed the drama.

I expect LL was the same. She doesn’t come across as someone with much else going on.

I'm never sure about the mental illness thing. Most people in prison have a mental illness, I've been told.

My DP was arrested and at the station they said he was completely fine. The next day he was sectioned as in full blown psychosis.

I mean to my way of thinking how can you be right in the head if you kill babies? And that's why we can't answer why she did it because mental illness is not rational.

I think people feel like saying 'mental illness' let's the person off and they understandably don't like that.

Yes I suspect munchausen by proxy too, like that other nurse that murdered babies Beverley Allitt.

I too assumed it was some form of Munchausen's. The emergency buzzer, staff running in, the adrenaline high, being 'first on the scene', the saviour etc.

Clearly there is some form of mental health going on here. By definition you are not of sound mind if you kill multiple babies for no reason at all.

Perhaps. But then listening to a doctor talking on the news tonight who was a witness he says he came in to the room to find no alarms going off. No alerts. Just LL standing quietly by the side of the cot. Watching, not attempting to alert anyone (ie not trying to be the first on the scene etc). It’s all very odd.

I'm not sure of that though.

She had her own home, the job of course, family, supposedly this affair with a doctor, holidays, friends, salsa lessons.

Maybe she liked the sympathy too, I'd imagine when a baby died in her presence the other staff were full on compassion towards her to start with.

Presume as she is in prison and not a hospital, she is not mentally ill?

She is definitely mentally ill. Lots of people with mental illnesses are not hospitalised.

I do wonder if she had an inherent discontent and disconnection with her life and being in the centre of extreme crisis and drama made her feel ‘something’. I also wonder if she had a subconscious jealousy of the babies and how they were so precious to people.

I'm sure we all know or have known people that love attention and to cause drama even if it hurts other people.
I think she's just an extreme version.

I’m still completely baffled by this. I have worked with many people with deep rooted psychological issues and nothing that I have read about her seems to be the clue to a road that leads to what she has been found guilty of. Obviously I accept the verdict but it’s one of those cases that wouldn’t surprise me if in years something else comes to light.

Nobody is born evil. It’s ridiculous nonsense - evil is an entirely religious construct, as per @5128gap upthread. By blaming the amorphous concept of ‘evil’ for the horrific things people do, you effectively throw up your hands and believe bad acts are inevitable and outside of our control or understanding - ‘aah, what could anyone do though? That baby was was always going to be an evil one regardless’.

’Evil’ is borne out of any number of physiological, mental, emotional, environmental and accidental factors which, when brought to bear on certain individuals in certain catastrophic combinations, result in terrible things.

Lucy Letby is no exception. ‘Monsters’ aren’t monsters. They’re just people. Fucking awful people, but people nonetheless. To believe anything else is literally medieval logic - you might as well bring out the pitchforks and ducking stools.